Lazer
20th Dec 2007, 12:57 am
As the title says, what is it and what can we do with it? :unsure:
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RFRUSSO
20th Dec 2007, 05:29 am
Welllllll, that is a tough one to answer. The down and dirty answer is that Revit is a completely different way of "drafting". Rather then drawing lines to represent things, you use elements. So if I needed a 6" stud wall with gyp board on one side and wall tile on the other, I would go through a menu to select that item (or create it) and then insert that into the drawing. The same applies to adding any thin and every thing. So now things like forcing a dimension are a thing of the past because the stuff in your drawing is not just a representation, it is virtually there.Rather the traditional drafting you build a 3D model and then lay in your annotations and notes in views that later get placed on sheets. I'm going to stop now but hopefully I have peaked your interest enough to Google it.
jules_s
20th Dec 2007, 10:07 pm
Welllllll, that is a tough one to answer. The down and dirty answer is that Revit is a completely different way of "drafting". Rather then drawing lines to represent things, you use elements. So if I needed a 6" stud wall with gyp board on one side and wall tile on the other, I would go through a menu to select that item (or create it) and then insert that into the drawing. The same applies to adding any thin and every thing. So now things like forcing a dimension are a thing of the past because the stuff in your drawing is not just a representation, it is virtually there.Rather the traditional drafting you build a 3D model and then lay in your annotations and notes in views that later get placed on sheets. I'm going to stop now but hopefully I have peaked your interest enough to Google it.
My Stealer has been trying to convert me to Revit for about 3 years now.
I'm still yet to be convinced.
Its similar to ADT, but has the advantage of cross editing (ie edit an elevation and it will update the plan automatically) Also there are some bonuses with people being able to work on the same file similtaniously with the manager asigning layers etc that can be worked on by certain individuals in the team.
To me Revit just isn't quite there yet in terms of producing working drawings (neither is/was ADT) i'll wait a few years before cross grading methinks :roll:
My Stealer has been trying to convert me to Revit for about 3 years now.
I'm still yet to be convinced.
Its similar to ADT, but has the advantage of cross editing (ie edit an elevation and it will update the plan automatically) Also there are some bonuses with people being able to work on the same file similtaniously with the manager asigning layers etc that can be worked on by certain individuals in the team.
To me Revit just isn't quite there yet in terms of producing working drawings (neither is/was ADT) i'll wait a few years before cross grading methinks :roll:
LElkins
20th Dec 2007, 10:19 pm
Lazer,
Revit is a 'drafting' application, which allows for a system of working that fits in with the BIM way of working.
Taken from wikipedia, Autodesk Revit is architectural BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) software for Microsoft Windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows), currently developed by Autodesk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk), which allows the user to design with parametric modeling and drafting elements. BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) is a new Computer Aided Design (CAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAD)) paradigm that allows for intelligent, 3D and parametric object-based design. In this way, Revit provides full bi-directional associativity. A change anywhere is a change everywhere, instantly, with no user interaction to manually update any view. A BIM model contains the buildings full life cycle, from concept to construction to decommissioning. This is made possible by Revit's underlying relational database architecture which its creators call the parametric change engine.
Although in theory Revit seems to be a good package, I am not going to implement it for at least 3 more years as I feel it is not there yet, and the indestry is not at a level to support it.
Cheers
Revit is a 'drafting' application, which allows for a system of working that fits in with the BIM way of working.
Taken from wikipedia, Autodesk Revit is architectural BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) software for Microsoft Windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows), currently developed by Autodesk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk), which allows the user to design with parametric modeling and drafting elements. BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) is a new Computer Aided Design (CAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAD)) paradigm that allows for intelligent, 3D and parametric object-based design. In this way, Revit provides full bi-directional associativity. A change anywhere is a change everywhere, instantly, with no user interaction to manually update any view. A BIM model contains the buildings full life cycle, from concept to construction to decommissioning. This is made possible by Revit's underlying relational database architecture which its creators call the parametric change engine.
Although in theory Revit seems to be a good package, I am not going to implement it for at least 3 more years as I feel it is not there yet, and the indestry is not at a level to support it.
Cheers
jules_s
20th Dec 2007, 10:43 pm
Lazer,
Although in theory Revit seems to be a good package, I am not going to implement it for at least 3 more years as I feel it is not there yet, and the indestry is not at a level to support it.
Cheers
Thats pretty much my assumption too.
It seems there are too many mechanical packages used in isolation to make revit worthwhile in the UK at the mo. When we all start singing from the same hymn sheet I will consider Revit further...esp when revit doesn't really allow for details to be produced (I wonder what genuis at autodesk decided to not provide half of the acad drafting tools?)
Anyhow..to me Revit = too much effort for too little gain ATM.
Give it a few years (and a few more % fee helping out the M&E boys) and i might consider it :wink:
Although in theory Revit seems to be a good package, I am not going to implement it for at least 3 more years as I feel it is not there yet, and the indestry is not at a level to support it.
Cheers
Thats pretty much my assumption too.
It seems there are too many mechanical packages used in isolation to make revit worthwhile in the UK at the mo. When we all start singing from the same hymn sheet I will consider Revit further...esp when revit doesn't really allow for details to be produced (I wonder what genuis at autodesk decided to not provide half of the acad drafting tools?)
Anyhow..to me Revit = too much effort for too little gain ATM.
Give it a few years (and a few more % fee helping out the M&E boys) and i might consider it :wink:
StykFacE
20th Dec 2007, 11:06 pm
Revit is B.I.M. (Building Information Modeling). Although it is far from CAD, here are a few points that make it superior to AutoCAD...
True 3D tied into all trades and contractors, so that there's never any question of coordination or conflicting issues with others.
A complete Bill of Material listing, so nobody has to spend huge labor hours on counting and adding up what's needed, not to mention it's error-free. Revit will not accidently "skip" or "miss" a piece or part.
Full engineering data that calculates equipment and more, for those that need it (such as Structural guys, or Mechanical guys like myself.)I do agree that it's not needed in the industry as of this point. Not even close. however there are many companies that are adopting it, and are doing very well with it. I have it and I have messed around with it, but I do not need to use it at all. I am definitely making sure that I'm familiar with it for future purposes. :)
True 3D tied into all trades and contractors, so that there's never any question of coordination or conflicting issues with others.
A complete Bill of Material listing, so nobody has to spend huge labor hours on counting and adding up what's needed, not to mention it's error-free. Revit will not accidently "skip" or "miss" a piece or part.
Full engineering data that calculates equipment and more, for those that need it (such as Structural guys, or Mechanical guys like myself.)I do agree that it's not needed in the industry as of this point. Not even close. however there are many companies that are adopting it, and are doing very well with it. I have it and I have messed around with it, but I do not need to use it at all. I am definitely making sure that I'm familiar with it for future purposes. :)
LElkins
20th Dec 2007, 11:22 pm
Revit is B.I.M. (Building Information Modeling). Although it is far from CAD, here are a few points that make it superior to AutoCAD...
True 3D tied into all trades and contractors, so that there's never any question of coordination or conflicting issues with others.
A complete Bill of Material listing, so nobody has to spend huge labor hours on counting and adding up what's needed, not to mention it's error-free. Revit will not accidently "skip" or "miss" a piece or part.
Full engineering data that calculates equipment and more, for those that need it (such as Structural guys, or Mechanical guys like myself.)I do agree that it's not needed in the industry as of this point. Not even close. however there are many companies that are adopting it, and are doing very well with it. I have it and I have messed around with it, but I do not need to use it at all. I am definitely making sure that I'm familiar with it for future purposes. :)
StykFace,
I disagree with your first statement. Revit is not BIM, Revit is an application which is capable of fitting within the BIM process. BIM is a whole process of working, rather than just the software you are using.
Cheers
True 3D tied into all trades and contractors, so that there's never any question of coordination or conflicting issues with others.
A complete Bill of Material listing, so nobody has to spend huge labor hours on counting and adding up what's needed, not to mention it's error-free. Revit will not accidently "skip" or "miss" a piece or part.
Full engineering data that calculates equipment and more, for those that need it (such as Structural guys, or Mechanical guys like myself.)I do agree that it's not needed in the industry as of this point. Not even close. however there are many companies that are adopting it, and are doing very well with it. I have it and I have messed around with it, but I do not need to use it at all. I am definitely making sure that I'm familiar with it for future purposes. :)
StykFace,
I disagree with your first statement. Revit is not BIM, Revit is an application which is capable of fitting within the BIM process. BIM is a whole process of working, rather than just the software you are using.
Cheers
Lazer
21st Dec 2007, 12:34 am
Cheers guys:), I have an Idea of that this program can do now, I think I will stick to my day job, learning this sounds complicated :lol:
LElkins
21st Dec 2007, 10:06 am
Cheers guys:), I have an Idea of that this program can do now, I think I will stick to my day job, learning this sounds complicated :lol:
Lazer,
Learning Revit is a time consuming process, in my opinion, even more so for a competent AutoCAD user as the mind expects a similar application, and then you open it and realise you are in for a world of pain. :o
This being said, it is definately worth the time to learn. There is no need currently to become an expert with it in a week, but spending a little time with the software over the next year or so to farmiliarise yourself with it will be very beneficial in the long term.
Cheers
Lazer,
Learning Revit is a time consuming process, in my opinion, even more so for a competent AutoCAD user as the mind expects a similar application, and then you open it and realise you are in for a world of pain. :o
This being said, it is definately worth the time to learn. There is no need currently to become an expert with it in a week, but spending a little time with the software over the next year or so to farmiliarise yourself with it will be very beneficial in the long term.
Cheers
RFRUSSO
21st Dec 2007, 10:33 am
Lazer,
Although in theory Revit seems to be a good package, I am not going to implement it for at least 3 more years as I feel it is not there yet, and the indestry is not at a level to support it.
"Revit revenue increased 96 percent compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2006. Autodesk shipped more than 15,000 commercial seats of Revit in the quarter." - From AutoDesk's Investment page (http://investors.autodesk.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=117861&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=896955&highlight)
That is 15,000 seats in one quarter. I think Revit is going to be around for a while. Based on what I have seen, the US Corp of Engineers and the state of California seem to be heading toward requiring there projects being handled and submitted in Revit.
Although in theory Revit seems to be a good package, I am not going to implement it for at least 3 more years as I feel it is not there yet, and the indestry is not at a level to support it.
"Revit revenue increased 96 percent compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2006. Autodesk shipped more than 15,000 commercial seats of Revit in the quarter." - From AutoDesk's Investment page (http://investors.autodesk.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=117861&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=896955&highlight)
That is 15,000 seats in one quarter. I think Revit is going to be around for a while. Based on what I have seen, the US Corp of Engineers and the state of California seem to be heading toward requiring there projects being handled and submitted in Revit.
James
21st Dec 2007, 10:37 am
i've been using Revit for a month now over AutoCAD 2008 and while some stuff is alot easier/quicker other stuff isnt.
some of the problems i have run in to are teething problems with learning new software and the frustration that in ACAD i would of just drawn a line and it would of been done.
it is nice having the elevations draw as you draw the floor plans and saves a lot of time and gives you zero errors for accuracy. Roofs can be fiddly, this is because using Revit you can not lie as such, in ACAD i would of bent the rules a little for say roofs running into each other - with Revit they have to line up pefectly in all instances, which can cause problems for complex roofs as it may take a few goes to get it right. Other problems i have found in Revit is some detailing for buildings which again in ACAD i would of knocked up in no time at all.
All in all though, it is a great program and can only go from strength to strength. But i couldnt see how a company could get along with soley using Revit, you definately need the Revit Suite of to already have ACAD to make it really work.
some of the problems i have run in to are teething problems with learning new software and the frustration that in ACAD i would of just drawn a line and it would of been done.
it is nice having the elevations draw as you draw the floor plans and saves a lot of time and gives you zero errors for accuracy. Roofs can be fiddly, this is because using Revit you can not lie as such, in ACAD i would of bent the rules a little for say roofs running into each other - with Revit they have to line up pefectly in all instances, which can cause problems for complex roofs as it may take a few goes to get it right. Other problems i have found in Revit is some detailing for buildings which again in ACAD i would of knocked up in no time at all.
All in all though, it is a great program and can only go from strength to strength. But i couldnt see how a company could get along with soley using Revit, you definately need the Revit Suite of to already have ACAD to make it really work.
LElkins
21st Dec 2007, 10:38 am
Based on what I have seen, the US Corp of Engineers and the state of California seem to be heading toward requiring there projects being handled and submitted in Revit.
Sorry, I was rather getting at the UK industry. Yes Revit sales has risen greatly, yet this does not necessarily imply that A. the software is quite there yet to warrant the cost B. the industry is quite ready for it.(again, UK)
Cheers
Sorry, I was rather getting at the UK industry. Yes Revit sales has risen greatly, yet this does not necessarily imply that A. the software is quite there yet to warrant the cost B. the industry is quite ready for it.(again, UK)
Cheers
RFRUSSO
21st Dec 2007, 10:44 am
Sorry, I was rather getting at the UK industry. Yes Revit sales has risen greatly, yet this does not necessarily imply that A. the software is quite there yet to warrant the cost B. the industry is quite reading for it.(again, UK)
Cheers
Hey man your harshin' my vibe.8) In a couple of weeks I am going to be the office guinea pig. I am going to a design charette that we are going to handle in Revit. This should be interesting.:lol:
Cheers
Hey man your harshin' my vibe.8) In a couple of weeks I am going to be the office guinea pig. I am going to a design charette that we are going to handle in Revit. This should be interesting.:lol:
LElkins
21st Dec 2007, 10:48 am
Hey man your harshin' my vibe.8) In a couple of weeks I am going to be the office guinea pig. I am going to a design charette that we are going to handle in Revit. This should be interesting.:lol:
Well, in that case, it is 100% perfect.:D
Please let us know of any stumbling blocks you may come across, big or small.
Cheers
Well, in that case, it is 100% perfect.:D
Please let us know of any stumbling blocks you may come across, big or small.
Cheers
StykFacE
21st Dec 2007, 02:50 pm
StykFace,
I disagree with your first statement. Revit is not BIM, Revit is an application which is capable of fitting within the BIM process. BIM is a whole process of working, rather than just the software you are using.
Cheers
It's not BIM software? Copy/Pasted from Wiki.... what do we have here? top of the list is none other than... Revit!! lol :lol: 8)
Building Information Modeling Software
Autodesk Revit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk_Revit)
ArchiCAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchiCAD) from Graphisoft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphisoft)
Bentley Architecture from Bentley Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_Systems)
Building Explorer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Explorer) BIM Analysis (Estimating, Scheduling, Bidding)
Constructor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructor) from Graphisoft
Data Design System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Design_System)
Digital Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Project) from Gehry Technologies LLC. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gehry_Technologies_LLC.&action=edit)
NavisWorks JetStream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetStream_%28software%29) from Autodesk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk)
VectorWorks Architect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VectorWorks_Architect) (module of VectorWorks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VectorWorks)) from Nemetschek N.A. (a subsidiary of Nemetschek AG)
Tekla Structures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekla_Structures) from Tekla Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekla)
1st Pricing BIM Plugin (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1st_Pricing_BIM_Plugin&action=edit) Real Time pricing and Supply
StruCad (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=StruCad&action=edit) from AceCad Software Inc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AceCad_Software_Inc.&action=edit)
IFC Engine Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IFC_Engine_Series&action=edit) from TNO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Organisation_for_Applied_Scientific_Re search)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling
And to continue....
Autodesk Revit is architectural BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) software for Microsoft Windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows), currently developed by Autodesk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk), which allows the user to design with parametric modeling and drafting elements. BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) is a new Computer Aided Design (CAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAD)) paradigm that allows for intelligent, 3D and parametric object-based design. In this way, Revit provides full bi-directional associativity. A change anywhere is a change everywhere, instantly, with no user interaction to manually update any view.
I disagree with your first statement. Revit is not BIM, Revit is an application which is capable of fitting within the BIM process. BIM is a whole process of working, rather than just the software you are using.
Cheers
It's not BIM software? Copy/Pasted from Wiki.... what do we have here? top of the list is none other than... Revit!! lol :lol: 8)
Building Information Modeling Software
Autodesk Revit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk_Revit)
ArchiCAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchiCAD) from Graphisoft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphisoft)
Bentley Architecture from Bentley Systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_Systems)
Building Explorer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Explorer) BIM Analysis (Estimating, Scheduling, Bidding)
Constructor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructor) from Graphisoft
Data Design System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Design_System)
Digital Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Project) from Gehry Technologies LLC. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gehry_Technologies_LLC.&action=edit)
NavisWorks JetStream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetStream_%28software%29) from Autodesk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk)
VectorWorks Architect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VectorWorks_Architect) (module of VectorWorks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VectorWorks)) from Nemetschek N.A. (a subsidiary of Nemetschek AG)
Tekla Structures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekla_Structures) from Tekla Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekla)
1st Pricing BIM Plugin (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1st_Pricing_BIM_Plugin&action=edit) Real Time pricing and Supply
StruCad (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=StruCad&action=edit) from AceCad Software Inc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AceCad_Software_Inc.&action=edit)
IFC Engine Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IFC_Engine_Series&action=edit) from TNO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Organisation_for_Applied_Scientific_Re search)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling
And to continue....
Autodesk Revit is architectural BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) software for Microsoft Windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows), currently developed by Autodesk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autodesk), which allows the user to design with parametric modeling and drafting elements. BIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Information_Modeling) is a new Computer Aided Design (CAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAD)) paradigm that allows for intelligent, 3D and parametric object-based design. In this way, Revit provides full bi-directional associativity. A change anywhere is a change everywhere, instantly, with no user interaction to manually update any view.
LElkins
1st Jan 2008, 11:36 pm
StykFace,
I know this is a bit of a belated response, but I would disagree with you. Of course, it is dependant on your understanding of BIM, but as far as I can tell, BIM is a process, and autodesk themseleves market revit as a BIM solution, ie. an application to assist in delivering the proces of BIM, and not BIM on its own.
Cheers, and Happy new year all!
I know this is a bit of a belated response, but I would disagree with you. Of course, it is dependant on your understanding of BIM, but as far as I can tell, BIM is a process, and autodesk themseleves market revit as a BIM solution, ie. an application to assist in delivering the proces of BIM, and not BIM on its own.
Cheers, and Happy new year all!
jules_s
2nd Jan 2008, 12:08 am
StykFace,
I know this is a bit of a belated response, but I would disagree with you. Of course, it is dependant on your understanding of BIM, but as far as I can tell, BIM is a process, and autodesk themseleves market revit as a BIM solution, ie. an application to assist in delivering the proces of BIM, and not BIM on its own.
Cheers, and Happy new year all!
I thought the same thing.
It would seem the UK/USA have a different idea of what a BIM is all about.
I may be totally wrong, but my understanding is that the USA BIM is all about product information, whereas the UK version is all about carbon emissions
I'm happy to stand corrected :thumbsup:
I know this is a bit of a belated response, but I would disagree with you. Of course, it is dependant on your understanding of BIM, but as far as I can tell, BIM is a process, and autodesk themseleves market revit as a BIM solution, ie. an application to assist in delivering the proces of BIM, and not BIM on its own.
Cheers, and Happy new year all!
I thought the same thing.
It would seem the UK/USA have a different idea of what a BIM is all about.
I may be totally wrong, but my understanding is that the USA BIM is all about product information, whereas the UK version is all about carbon emissions
I'm happy to stand corrected :thumbsup:
RFRUSSO
13th Feb 2008, 03:59 pm
I don't know how any ever used AutoCAD in a charette. Revit performed perfectly. Live updates on the spot. The client seemed very impressed.
James
13th Feb 2008, 04:05 pm
I don't know how any ever used AutoCAD in a charette. Revit performed perfectly. Live updates on the spot. The client seemed very impressed.
im at the point where i dunno why people draw buildings in AutoCAD :lol:
im at the point where i dunno why people draw buildings in AutoCAD :lol:
LCE
16th May 2008, 10:54 am
So, we are a couple of months on now, and I guess more and more guys taking a serious look at Revit (including myself). I think that the 2009 product looks fantastic, and I am sure I haven't even scratched the surface of it yet. Some figures I have just got are saying over the last 12 months Revit sales have been up by 41% in comparison to the previous 12 month period, and Revit is making up approximately 20% of all CAD software sold throughout the industry, with ACAD obviously taking the largest chunk. I think this all points to more and more guys jumping on the BIM band waggon, so now a few questions.
Whilst on Revit, how about BIM? What are the understandings of BIM? What is it? How does it differ from traditional drafting (drawing board or ACAD) and design? Do you classify it as a process of work rather than just the drafting aspect of it, if so, how has your process changed with the introduction of the BIM process and platforms?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Whilst on Revit, how about BIM? What are the understandings of BIM? What is it? How does it differ from traditional drafting (drawing board or ACAD) and design? Do you classify it as a process of work rather than just the drafting aspect of it, if so, how has your process changed with the introduction of the BIM process and platforms?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
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