Scaling

Can I please get some help with scaling. I do not get thsi at all. I know how to use the sc command, its more that I don't knew how to use it properly or what to do to scale correctly. I.e. say I have a layout setout scaled at 1:40,000, with text in the paperspace. If I want to scale the model back to say 30,000, how do i do this? Is it possible to reset/turn fof scale/go to 1 or something?

Then, after I've scaled the model space, how do I then scale the text in paperspace in accordance, as currnetly it screws up and has to be resized, adjuested/moved manually etc. Surely there is a better way. Thans for any help you can provide.

the only point I would make is DON'T SCALE THE MODEL SPACE. Others more proficient in the use of PaperSpace will come along and assist you further.

Oh dear... right... using the scale command & the scale of the drawing should be kept as 2 completely different things... you should always be drawing at 1:1 then use your layout views to present scaled viewports of your model on a drawing sheet again drawn & plotted at 1:1.

Okay, so keep model space 1:1 no scale, and only scale a layout viewport. Got it. However won't txt in papersapce still need scaled as well then?

... unfortunately the FAQ's on paperspace/modelspace in Layouts is still being written... you'll have to do a search on the forums.

/edit... the text, whether in the model or in paperspace has to be readable at the size that you are printing to (usually about 3mm)... the advantage of putting it in paperspace is that it will remain constant no matter what scale the viewport is zoomed to... text in modelspace will need to be edited to, say, 300mm high for a 1:100 view.

Text placed in paper space does not have to be scaled. If you want it to be 1/8th" in hieght then that's what you use. If you are placing text in model space then use annotative text. You can read up on this in your Help file. Look under "annotation objects, text".

Okay, but after scaling the viewport, I then need to manually move text elements correct, or am I just doing something wrong?

I can't find it in the FAQ either.

Right. Viewports are scaled not the objects in model space.

I thought your text is in paper space. Why are you asking about moving it? Moving it to where, model space?

See the CADTutor AutoCAD FAQ's Getting Started section.

CHSPACE is a useful command when you want to scale text in a Viewport.

Just type your MTEXT into paperspace at whatever height you want it. Then type the command CHSPACE. now select your text and hit enter. Your text will switch from paper space to model space and will scale appropriately.

btw, you shouldn't put text in paper space. It should be in model space. The above method is a useful way of scaling text in model space.

moving it around the layout 9in paperspace)

Sampdoria wrote: "btw, you shouldn't put text in paper space. It should be in model space. The above method is a useful way of scaling text in model space."

I politely disagree. Putting all your notes and callouts in paperspace at exactly the height you wish them to plot out at is a lot less work. But each person and office have their own method of doing things. Who am I to say he is wrong or vice-versa?

^^well in the companies i have worked for that was considered to be bad practice. What happens if you need move your vports? and from my experience that happens a lot. e.g when an engineer asks you to show something else on the drawing at a different scale. you are gonna have to spend time trying to match up your notes again. Its just as easy to put text in model space anyway.

also what if you want to put a border around your text and you need to use the wipeout command to make the text clearer on a site layout map for example.?

I've never encountered any problems with rearranging notes or callouts if required to do so (very seldom).

Back in the early days of AutoCAD EVERYTHING was in model space because that's all you had. It wasn't until later, when paper space was added, that different people took different paths.

It's easier NOW to put text in model space since the inception of annotative text.

I have the same problem as smap with moving/adjusting text when I alter the scale etc, trying to match up notes. We must put all text in paperspace (company policy).

I have the same problem as smap with moving/adjusting text when I alter the scale etc, trying to match up notes. We must put all text in paperspace (company policy).

lol. our company policy was to have it in model space. i guess its down to preference. I prefer having it in model space. I guess that CHSPACE command isnt much use to you so.

I just taught scaling to a new guy at my work...

Rule #1 - 1:1 in model space & in huge text (on layer 0), off to the side, type METERS or FEET or INCHES or etc... depending on what units are used.

Rule #2 - Page Setup Manager in paperspace...set to printing paper size and printing 1:1.

Rule #3 - Scaling is changed ONLY in viewport... using Viewport toolbar is easiest.

Rule #4 - All viewports should be on layers starting with "viewport" [ex: viewport_1]

Why have huge text?