Using 3D studio Max for rendering

[deadseasquirrels]

Somebody I know recently purchased 3D studio max because they want to render their autocad drawings. But the thing is they don't draw in 3D, they draw floor plans, and also they draw profile views of buildings, and I was just wondering, for them, if 3D studio max will even be able to help them do any rendering without a 3D plan?


I mean even if they have the front view of a plan? What would rendering the front view really do for them? And would this app even do that?

[hendie]

no chance.
the best they can hope for is to render the lines which will only give them thicker lines.
you need solids and meshes to render in Viz
sounds like they have more money than....

[f700es]

Somebody I know recently purchased 3D studio max because they want to render their autocad drawings. But the thing is they don't draw in 3D, they draw floor plans, and also they draw profile views of buildings, and I was just wondering, for them, if 3D studio max will even be able to help them do any rendering without a 3D plan?


I mean even if they have the front view of a plan? What would rendering the front view really do for them? And would this app even do that?

I agree with deadseasquirrels, they should have just upgraded to AutoCAD 2004 and with it new gradient fills and the super hatch command they could render and color 2d drawings straight in AutoCAD.

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=280431

http://picserv.beyond-reality.nl/getpicture.php?id=204322&check=38fba2

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=141803

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=141409

[deadseasquirrels]

Woah...well I didn't say they should have upgraded to AutoCAD 2004, but now after seeing the results, I think they should have.

Personally I am suprised 3D Viz won't do what AutoCAD2004 would do for 2-D drawings. But then again it does say 3D Viz, so maybe they just want to focus on 3D stuff. But interesting.

And, this is really just rhetorical, but man when did AutoCAD start having this powerful 2D rendering...2002 is crap for 2D rendering, even 3D rendering. That house and brick drawing are exactly what htey want.

Quick question though, to render the brick and the house to look like that can you give me a quick headsup as to how that is done f700es? I mean I am just wondering how one renders a brick design anyway. Do you just have a rectangle in the front view, and then say fill it with bricks of size "x" and it will? Or do you have the bricks drawn in from the very beginning.

But that is a great looking drawing.

[Orbit]

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=325913

I showed and explained how you get the gradient fill and the brick in the two above examples.

The trick is that is a must that the rectangle :wink: ( between you and I, i know you love rectangles) lets say symbolise a wall must be a rectangle or a closed polyline. That means, if you have many lines use Boundary to create Polyline or Rectangle.

[f700es]

http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=325913

I showed and explained how you get the gradient fill and the brick in the two above examples.

The trick is that is a must that the rectangle :wink: ( between you and I, i know you love rectangles) lets say symbolise a wall must be a rectangle or a closed polyline. That means, if you have many lines use Boundary to create Polyline or Rectangle.

I believe SuperHatch can use just boundries as well as closed rectangles. I'll have to test it though but I believe it will still work.

[f700es]

Woah...well I didn't say they should have upgraded to AutoCAD 2004, but now after seeing the results, I think they should have.

Personally I am suprised 3D Viz won't do what AutoCAD2004 would do for 2-D drawings. But then again it does say 3D Viz, so maybe they just want to focus on 3D stuff. But interesting.

And, this is really just rhetorical, but man when did AutoCAD start having this powerful 2D rendering...2002 is crap for 2D rendering, even 3D rendering. That house and brick drawing are exactly what htey want.

Quick question though, to render the brick and the house to look like that can you give me a quick headsup as to how that is done f700es? I mean I am just wondering how one renders a brick design anyway. Do you just have a rectangle in the front view, and then say fill it with bricks of size "x" and it will? Or do you have the bricks drawn in from the very beginning.

But that is a great looking drawing.

Hi DSS, Max and Viz are great for models and renderings but 2d is not there thing. As I told you earlier 3 of these images were done with 2000i, only the restroom was done in 2004 (gradient fills). Using the Super Hatch command from the express tools you can get the same results. The renderings use simple raster files for fills (.jpgs, .pngs and so on). You do have to experiment with the scaling of the raster images when you insert them with the SuperHatch command. A good site with files and scales sizes ;) is at the SketchUp site http://www.sketch3d.com/materials.php
Here is a smooth face block image from their site - http://www.sketch3d.com/data/materials/thumb_Smooth_Face_Concrete_Block.jpg they also give the scale to use = 48"x 32" or convert for metrics for our friends on the metric system. Use the Super Hatch command pick this image from your hard drive (after you download it) and then insert, give it a scale factor (I usually use one of the scales given like 32" in the "Y" direction (up)). Follow the on screen directions and there you go. You will have to turn the Frames off when you are finished (boxes around the raster images are it is inserted) but before you do this I always use the DrawOrder button to send my raster images to the back so I can have them behind my cad lines. I know this was a quick and dirty explaination but play with it a bit and you'll be surprised at what you can do. Best of luck.

[f700es]

Woah...well I didn't say they should have upgraded to AutoCAD 2004, but now after seeing the results, I think they should have.

Personally I am suprised 3D Viz won't do what AutoCAD2004 would do for 2-D drawings. But then again it does say 3D Viz, so maybe they just want to focus on 3D stuff. But interesting.

And, this is really just rhetorical, but man when did AutoCAD start having this powerful 2D rendering...2002 is crap for 2D rendering, even 3D rendering. That house and brick drawing are exactly what htey want.

Quick question though, to render the brick and the house to look like that can you give me a quick headsup as to how that is done f700es? I mean I am just wondering how one renders a brick design anyway. Do you just have a rectangle in the front view, and then say fill it with bricks of size "x" and it will? Or do you have the bricks drawn in from the very beginning.

But that is a great looking drawing.

Here is a good site for Brick examples :)

http://www.acmebrick.com/home-abc.htm

Cheers! :)

[Orbit]

f700es, that is a great site. I play it with it and it looks like this materials are useful in 2d as well in 3d. Do know have in your pocket other similar sites? :lol:
I also find that is easier to insert them by copy/ past in 2d dwg and than chosing the scale.
http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=326064

And because you seem confuse about the boundary/ rectangle thing I will try to explain to avoid confusion.
The common mistake for beginners are lines, boundaries, rectangles when trying to hatch. There is a great confusion around this topics.

The S. Hatch works beautifully for boundary and/ or rectangle, depends on what you dwg. but not for simple lines. Like when you dwg. a rectangle using line command.

[f700es]

f700es, that is a great site. I play it with it and it looks like this materials are useful in 2d as well in 3d. Do know have in your pocket other similar sites? :lol:
I also find that is easier to insert them by copy/ past in 2d dwg and than chosing the scale.
http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/getpicture.php?id=326064

And because you seem confuse about the boundary/ rectangle thing I will try to explain to avoid confusion.
The common mistake for beginners are lines, boundaries, rectangles when trying to hatch. There is a great confusion around this topics.

The S. Hatch works beautifully for boundary and/ or rectangle, depends on what you dwg. but not for simple lines. Like when you dwg. a rectangle using line command.

My bad, it can be confusing, very true there. I love AutoCAD but it is one monster of a program to learn and master. I learn something new just about all the time.

Yes, those raster images work in 2d and 3d as well. :) I'll see what other images site I have in my pocket :lol:

Take care :)