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    Quote Originally Posted by rkmcswain View Post
    Who knows, but I think what most people would be happy with, is a choice.
    Definitely a key point here. I'm a man who believes in the freedom to choose. Buying outright, or renting would be the right move on Autodesk's part. Rental/subscription works for me, but may not work for others. In life, the reality is in all cases for all scenarios is that there's no ultimate solution to anything - only trade-offs.

    So, RK, what is your perspective on this, personally? Are you for, or against, or neutral?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzframpton View Post
    So, RK, what is your perspective on this, personally? Are you for, or against, or neutral?
    I just want a choice.
    Rental was more expensive than perpetual, but I'm sure the recent perpetual maintenance increases will bring them more in line.

    I suspect in a few years, we will just pay a flat price, whatever that is, and have access to all products. (think of the progression from single products, to suites, to the now 'collections')
    They will say that is what their customers want, but in reality, many of us will be paying for products we never use.
    Again, no choice.
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    I work in a big firm. Personally i think the rental business model might help make the autodesk 'software pool' could make things more flexible. HOwever, Some of the software i potentially think is intresting still is unreachable because the cost more 'credits' (ticks) a day. I have doubts these sofwtare verticals will ever be reachable, or .. The same in 'hyrachy'

    Bumbt into this official trailer. I see autodesk Very much wanting to get yours data *EDIT: on Autodesk servers* while you will moved onto subscription..

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    Quote Originally Posted by halam View Post
    I see autodesk Very much wanting to get yours data into the bim 360
    Brilliant!
    Drafting is a breeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDraw View Post
    Brilliant!
    Meaning what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halam View Post
    I see autodesk Very much wanting to get yours data into the bim 360 as you will more to subscription.
    In certain industries, definitely. I've already seen some strategic moves. For instance, the iPad BIM 360 Glue app used to (as a free app) allow opening up all types of files such as NWD or DWFx which was great as you could essentially have a full model at your fingertips, with tools such as measuring distances, hiding things on/off, saved Viewpoints and have a slew of information via Properties. In recent updates, now BIM 360 Glue is locked out unless you have access to the full BIM 360 administrative services - which from what I hear comes with a hefty price tag to own a BIM 360 service. A360 iPad app gives you the same type of flow and interface as BIM 360 Glue, but no measuring tools, no Viewpoints, no extra visual control or properties data. It's kind of like the "freemium to premium" incentive model. Give the user just enough in the free version, but keep the really good stuff you know they need in the purchased version. Also I've been notified via email that the Revit C4R BIM 360 Team will require a full C4R license gain access to a BIM 360 Team environment - no more invite access as a viewer anymore at all. This will be taking effect here in a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halam View Post
    Meaning what?
    I think that he is NOT happy about that. Then the definition of 'your' data starts to fade and becomes more 'shared' data with AutoDesk.
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    Define "shared"? At some point could AutoDesk treat that data as their own to do with as they please?
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    I don't know. Not a big fan about that myself. Situation: I decide to stop using AD products and all my data in on their cloud. Can I get it back and retain the only copies?
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    Sure you can get it back. How much are you willing to pay for the privilege? $1? $1,000? $100,000?
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