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    For a supply diffuser, NC usually stands for Noise Criteria. VC is unfamiliar with me, though I have a thought it might be Velocity Control. I'll ask my engineer when he gets back in the office, but NC for sure is Noise Criteria.
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    Autodesk are currently releasing AutoCAD MEP Fabrication, which will address almost every 'con' you have in your pros and cons list. The library is an ever expanding SQL server database, which has dedicated teams working on it to update world catalogues. There are many advantages to SQL servers, which I'm sure the more technically minded can guide you better on. But, from my understanding, you can use the existing database and implement your own fields, so that each and every peice of equipment you employ in your design can have a personalised company cost applied to it, site man hours and much much more.

    Having used both MEP and CADduct, I would have to say that I personally prefer MEP, certainly with the new fabrication release. I work at the design end of the spectrum. I have found that to co-ordinate with CADduct, it can be a real pain with it's lack of connectivity when changing designs, sizes etc, it's 'designline' feature just doesn't cut it in my opinion. MEP has great connectivity, has a very flowing feel to it. Bills of materials have always been available on MEP, with just slight modification of the standard, 'out of the box' schedules. Fabrication just now takes it into the realm of the other end, with the capability to send info directy to the plasma table. Auto pipe spooling is another bonus (also can be done on CADduct). The spooling will create automatic BOM's, templates, tags, (auto dimensions coming soon). The SQL server means that any update to equipment is available instantaneously, without the need for update, so effectively can be updated indefinately between major releases.

    However, the absolute swinger for me is. AutoCAD MEP Fabrication is 100% compatible with Revit. As I'm sure some of you will already be aware, Cadduct, at this moment in time, is not. We have alredy be asked by Architects as to whether we can work with their revit BIM. Of course, draw you own conclusions............. But I can't help but feel that with Autodesk themselves stepping into the fab market, the bell could be ringing for add-ons. I know that cadduct are taking action, but I'm not 100% sure that it involves AutoCAD as a base solution going forward.

    I have to add that all the above is my own opinion and personal thoughts/findings.

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    CADDuct is great, espically if you're wanting to use it on more than one licenced machine with AutoCAD already installed.
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    Anyone using version 2 (released this month) of East Coast Design to Fabrication as still trying to compare pro/cons with CAD-DUCT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StykFacE View Post
    For a supply diffuser, NC usually stands for Noise Criteria. VC is unfamiliar with me, though I have a thought it might be Velocity Control. I'll ask my engineer when he gets back in the office, but NC for sure is Noise Criteria.

    VC is Volume control i think.... like in a VCD (volume control damper)
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    Does anyone use Quickpen-pipe 3D? how is it compare to MEP09?

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    "Autodesk are currently releasing AutoCAD MEP Fabrication"

    I don't think this is a autodesk feature or product it is a third party add on unless autodesk bought it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GolfBum View Post
    "Autodesk are currently releasing AutoCAD MEP Fabrication"

    I don't think this is a autodesk feature or product it is a third party add on unless autodesk bought it.

    AutoCAD MEP Fabrication is the only Fabrication software that has been designed specifically for AutoCAD, alongside their software designers for full integration with the product. It is not a thid party "add on" but rather an extended function of the MEP program. East Coast Cad were approached along with many other 3rd party suppliers and will be party to all future updates, even if support is removed for any current 3rd party users. When a software re-write is performed, like with the file compatibility of Acad 2010 and lower releases, MEP Fab has immediate compatibility, where as others have a delay due to the codes only being given to them after the release of the product.
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    The "generic" duct catalog that comes with AutoCAD MEP is just not suitable for design build applications. You cant change the length or offset of any fitting, and the rectangular mitered elbows are locked down to 2" throats for example. There are no flex connectors or miterd joints. You cant offset transitions beyond flat. Offsets are locked down to half of their width. Many common parts are missing from the stock catalog and most of them do not represent real world sizes. For accurate detailing and value engineering, you want to use real world parts to begin with, and you want adjustable lengths and offsets for your parts!

    Downloading straight to the plasma cutter is not something most fab shops are willing to do unless the data was error checked and produced in-house. Ive seen it happen. One small mistake like entering the wrong pressure class and the machine will begin burning hundreds of holes in the metal for conduit stiffeners, or worse!

    Manually entering work for the plasma cutter from numbered fabrication schedules is very efficient, especially when you are dealing with typical part numbers and quantities. One person can easily enter enough data to keep any plasma cutter busy all day before morning break, and you get that extra level of error proofing when another human stands between the data and the machine. Downloading fabrication information straight from the design is very cool, but it only saves a few hours of labor from one person, and it can be very risky.

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