Create ACADE drawings: Model space or Layout?

[dbroada]

a demo...

this is what we have (top)
and this is as far as I have got (lower)
you can see I have un-hidden a couple of attributes that I am hoping to get involved in the future but at the moment they only contain what is showing on the wire.

I have found a report that (almost) gives what we want but I wanted it on the drawing..

[ReMark]

Terminal numbers - both ends.

I'm a tutorial away from one entitled Terminals, Multiple Level Terminals and Jumpers. I wonder if it might be covered there.

[cadvision]

I've always done my schematics in model space and then titleblocks in layout. Can tweek the viewing scale when needed

[MarkFlayler]

Here is a sample of the books we write. We also do web based training. Its a lot better than the Autodesk ones and was actually written and proofed by Electrical Engineers.

I'll keep in my dropbox for no less than 5 days, after that I can't promise it will be there: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4015397/Asce...%20Preview.pdf

Also here is a great link to the guy who is the father of AutoCAD Electrical, great guy too by the way, I have met him a couple times and used to have him on speed dial when he used to work for Autodesk (not self employed).

http://nateholt.wordpress.com/

[MarkFlayler]

Back on topic with Layouts and Models Space... I see this done 50/50 in industry with this software. If someone is actually building the cabinet and not just referencing it they traditionally do the documentation in Layouts so the scale is right. So many just throw components into the cab and they are no where near the right sizing, they just do it for the reference and tagging. So this really comes down to a company matter. If you have no reason to show scale, keep it all in Model, if you need to show scale, do it in a Layout with correct Viewports.

[ReMark]

The majority of my work will be schematics. The electrical engineer, who will be learning ACADE as well, will be doing panel and cabinet layouts. The engineer is giving me a hard time about drawing sizes. He wants something small (11x17) the electricians can take in the field. I want something larger so I can get 2 or 3 ladders per sheet instead of 1. I've suggested using layouts. Everything in model space but the titleblock and border. Five layouts: one at 24x36; four at 11x17 representing the upper left quadrant, lower left quadrant, upper right quadrant and lower right quadrant. Taking the entire sheet in the field would be a matter of printing the four quadrant layouts. What do people think of that idea?

[ReMark]

An update:

I've received that book by CADCIM Technologies I mentioned in a previous post. It is entitled AutoCAD Electrical 2010 for Electrical Control Designers. I've decided to tackle the two Project drawings in Chapter 14. One is of a single phase wiring diagram and the other is a panel layout drawing.

Thank you Mark Flayler for the two links you provided earlier. I have looked at them both. Nate Holt's blog contains a wealth of information.

[Cat]

no, that bit I can do.

We don't have wire numbers but we mark both ends of the wire with the terminal number. We do this on our drawings and export the text to be printed on a heat shrink marker. We have been told (several times) that ACADE can't do exactly what we want (just the terminal number the wire is hanging on) but it can have the terminal number of both ends of the wire. This is what I am trying to do - without success. If youtrip over it at some time, let me know please.

Is this what you were looking for?

[dbroada]

Is this what you were looking for?

thanks, that is a bit more than I have seen before. I'm not sure I've seen the 2nd sheet before. I don't think they will give us what we want but I'll give it a try.

[Electroman7979]

When I started using ACE a few years ago, I did everything in model space... including the title blocks. Now when doing a drawing, I have two templates-one for schmatic where the title block is in model space and the layout tab has one VP that covers all. And the second template is for panel/cabinet layout where there is no title block in model space, but on the layout tab. At which time we do individual VP when it has to be scaled and dimension. That makes it easy to print the project all at once printing all the layout 1 tabs. Something that was suggested to me recently was making the model space area for schematics a D size, that way when it prints on a 11X17 it looks cleaner.