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    Default 1st angle/3rd angle projection

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    Have any cad operators/designers ever went on the shop floor and seen how people work from your drawings?

    First of all I work for a fabrication company doing engineering drawings.

    I was well suprised this week and have been looking into it.

    What I found and this is for New and Old frabricators on the shopfloor was only 5 in 10 knew how to read the projection symbols.

    What I found was they guessed or trial and error on the way.
    one said he never even looked at the symbols ever in 10 years of fabricating.
    Once I explained how they worked they where amazed.

    Also in my finding only 2 in 10 knew how to do trigonomatry
    the 8 of them all said the same thing " learned it at school never used it as you CAD guyz work it out for us"

    No one under 25 could read the projection symbols or do basic trig.

    I find this alarming
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    unfortunately I'm not surprised. When we started getting contract draughtsmen in (and not all young) who didn't know the difference I knew we were doomed. I have even had drawings returned from the shop floor asking for the (already correct) views to be corrected! Isn't it refreshing when a drawing gets correctly interpreted.
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    Makes me wonder how things ever to the customer correct.
    The crazy thing is they do get there in the end.

    I am also in the same boat where they say drawings not right,
    ( its them that cannot read a drawing)
    probem is thier so use to faq packet drawings fom someone who has never use cad before they dont know how to read a pro drawing correct.
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    I agree, I think that it's down to the standard of education, or lack of it. It's all too easy (and a lot cheaper) to pull in a button presser off the street rather than a qualified engineer. I don't know of many companies now who can MILTFD - I won't print what that stands for, if you're a draughty you should know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjangles
    I agree, I think that it's down to the standard of education, or lack of it. It's all too easy (and a lot cheaper) to pull in a button presser off the street rather than a qualified engineer. I don't know of many companies now who can MILTFD - I won't print what that stands for, if you're a draughty you should know!
    oh, make it like the friendly drawing
    I've not encountered that one before.
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    I was thinking would the guys at Cadtutor help out this woodentop get his head round orthographic projection
    I can never remember if 1st angle is American and 3rd angle is UK and what method of orthographic projection do architects use ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bespoke View Post
    1st angle is American and 3rd angle is UK
    In the railway industry (UK) 1st angle is very common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazer View Post
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    lets see if i remember right... the 1st one is 1st angle and the 2nd one is 3rd angle.

    i did those at school when drawing on the board but now i dont use them since i draw only plans...
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    Correct 10 points to you sir.
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