AutoCAD 2009 Shut down without warning

When working on larger files AutoCAD shuts down without warning. I don't get the option of saving before it closes and it does not create a backup file that I can recover. No error message comes up either. It just closes as if I were to exit it.

The last time it happend I had 3 drawing files open.

2471 KB

13370 KB

21573 KB

Each file is used for the job that I was working on. We used to have all drawings for the job in one file. They started to get really big so we break them out now.

Could the files size have anything to do with AutoCAD just shutting down?

Is there a way to stop this?

The system we are running is:

Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Serivce Pack 3

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo CPU

E7500 @ 2.93GHz

2.93 GHZ, 3.25 GB of RAM

C Drive has 298 GB with 37 GB used

Any help or ideas would be great

Thanks

Matt

All AutoCAD 2009 updates/service packs loaded?

Have you purged and audited the individual drawing files?

When did the problem first occur?

Have you looked in your AUTOSAVE file location for a safety?

OPTIONS > FILES > AUTOSAVE FILE LOCATION (this will show you the path for these files on your computer).

You are not looking for a .bak file there, but rather the ac$, which if it hasn't been disabled should auto-save and the default is every 10 minutes.

You will need to save the file type to .dwg if you find it, then open it as usual.

I purge all the time.

Not sure if we ahve all the updates, patches and serives packs for 09. We have three, have not lookied into this yet.

As for AutoSave it sucks. I turn it on and set it a 30 min and it seems to stay on for a few days, then I check it and it off. Not sure what the deal is but everyone in our office has this same AutoSave problem. When I same while working in the large files it takes a few seconds to complete the save. When AutoSave kicks in its kinda frustrating because while it save it locks up and you can't complete the task you started.

I know there has been alot of discustion about AutoSave wheather it good or bad. So I am not going to debate that.

I actual have a button on my mouse that is set to do a qsave. I use if very often, but not often enough sometimes I guess.....

Could the large files that I have open be the problem?? Others at work don't seem to get files so large and they don't seem to have the same problems.

Thanks

Matt

Do you purge Regapps first then do a purge > all?

Do you Audit the drawing for errors?

Do you pare down bloated scalelists?

Do you manage your layer filters?

Do you use any custom lisp routines?

Do you have the InfoCenter enabled or disabled?

What is Incremental Save Percentage set to?

Have you done a REPAIR of your AutoCAD installation?

Have you run a virus-scan on your hard drive?

Do you get drawing files from outside sources?

What have you done so far to troubleshoot the problem?

Do you get any "Out of Memory" messages?

Try using the Windows Task Manager to monitor Memory and CPU usage.

[Do you purge Regapps first then do a purge > all?Yes

Do you Audit the drawing for errors?Not sure how to

Do you pare down bloated scalelists?Only have the scales that we use

Do you manage your layer filters?Yes

Do you use any custom lisp routines?No

Do you have the InfoCenter enabled or disabled?Enabled

What is Incremental Save Percentage set to?50

Have you done a REPAIR of your AutoCAD installation?not that I know of

Have you run a virus-scan on your hard drive?yes, its done weekly

Do you get drawing files from outside sources?Yes, but we swithc everything to the 0 layer then inport into our drawing then convert dims to ours and purge out the others

What have you done so far to troubleshoot the problem?Uninstall / reinstall and check forums for simular problems

Open one of the drawings and immediately run the AUDIT command. Here is an example of what you might see.

Command: audit

Fix any errors detected? [Yes/No] : y

Auditing Header

Auditing Tables

Auditing Entities Pass 1

Pass 1 200 objects auditedAcDbMInsertBlock(439) Rows

1

Pass 1 1300 objects audited

Auditing Entities Pass 2

AcDbDictionary(1109) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

Pass 2 300 objects auditedAcDbXrecord(14B3) Owner Id Is Null

Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B4) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B5) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B6) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B7) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B8) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B9) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148C) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148D) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148E) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

Pass 2 1300 objects audited

Auditing Blocks

42 Blocks audited

Total errors found 12 fixed 12

Erased 0 objects

After the audit save your drawing.

Do you get any "Out of Memory" messages? Yes, "AutoCAD is running out of system memory, Contiuing the currnet operation may result in program failure or loss of data. Do you want to cancel the current operation? YES / No

 

I have to click NO, and save and retry the command. Some time it lets me and some time I have to close out AutoCAD and start over.

 

 

Try using the Windows Task Manager to monitor Memory and CPU usage.

PF Usage pretty much stays right around 1.46 GB

Normally I recommend trying a REPAIR of AutoCAD prior to an uninstall/reinstall.

Did you follow the recommended procedure for uninstalling/reinstalling AutoCAD as per AutoDesk's own published guidelines as found on the AutoDesk website?

Open one of the drawings and immediately run the AUDIT command. Here is an example of what you might see.

 

Command: audit

 

Fix any errors detected? [Yes/No] : y

 

 

 

Auditing Header

 

 

Auditing Tables

 

 

Auditing Entities Pass 1

 

Pass 1 200 objects auditedAcDbMInsertBlock(439) Rows

1

Pass 1 1300 objects audited

Auditing Entities Pass 2

 

AcDbDictionary(1109) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

Pass 2 300 objects auditedAcDbXrecord(14B3) Owner Id Is Null

Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B4) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B5) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B6) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B7) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B8) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B9) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148C) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148D) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148E) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

Pass 2 1300 objects audited

Auditing Blocks

 

 

42 Blocks audited

 

Total errors found 12 fixed 12

 

Erased 0 objects

 

After the audit save your drawing.

Will this make the files smaller??

Normally I recommend trying a REPAIR of AutoCAD prior to an uninstall/reinstall.

 

Did you follow the recommended procedure for uninstalling/reinstalling AutoCAD as per AutoDesk's own published guidelines as found on the AutoDesk website?

Our IT guy does all the computer stuff and not sure what hes doing or not doing....

Open one of the drawings and immediately run the AUDIT command. Here is an example of what you might see.

 

Command: audit

 

Fix any errors detected? [Yes/No] : y

 

 

Auditing Header

 

 

Auditing Tables

 

 

Auditing Entities Pass 1

 

Pass 1 200 objects auditedAcDbMInsertBlock(439) Rows

1

Pass 1 1300 objects audited

Auditing Entities Pass 2

 

AcDbDictionary(1109) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

Pass 2 300 objects auditedAcDbXrecord(14B3) Owner Id Is Null

Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B4) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B5) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B6) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B7) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B8) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(14B9) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148C) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148D) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

AcDbXrecord(148E) Owner Id Is Null Fix it

Pass 2 1300 objects audited

Auditing Blocks

 

 

42 Blocks audited

 

Total errors found 12 fixed 12

 

Erased 0 objects

 

After the audit save your drawing.

Just did one a file that is 15754 KB. 723 Blocks audited and 73 errors found and fixed. Not sure what was wrong but is that the acutal amount of block in the files?

Out of memory errors occur when the swap file (virtual memory) is at its limit. Do you let Windows manage virtual memory or have you set your own limits on it?

Just did one a file that is 15754 KB. 723 Blocks audited and 73 errors found and fixed. Not sure what was wrong but is that the acutal amount of block in the files?

I assume so. Do you have reason to believe otherwise?

BTW...I would recommend disabling the InfoCenter.

Out of memory errors occur when the swap file (virtual memory) is at its limit. Do you let Windows manage virtual memory or have you set your own limits on it?

Not sure how to check. i ahve not setup anything with the computer but its look and screen saver.

Audit fixes errors. I'm not sure if that process makes any significant difference in the file size.

If you do not follow AutoDesk's recommended procedure there is a chance you'll miss a handful of items that must be deleted manually. Leaving those items behind may have an impact on the reinstall process.

Your "window-dressing" changes have nothing to do with virtual memory. My guess is that most IT personnel will not tweak virtual memory settings and will gladly allow Windows to manage it. However, since you are getting "out of memory" errors you might want to talk to your IT department about it.