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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana W View Post
    Yeah, I stopped reading at this line.
    All standards come up for a long time and they are right, so they change no one will.
    The main thing that everyone will understand the same.
    Or will you change your files when you change computers?
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    maratovich: "In our country, one standard for all."

    What happens if someone doesn't follow the standard? Are they sent to the gulag for re-education?
    "I have only come here seeking knowledge. Things they wouldn't teach me of in college." The Police

    Eat brains...gain more knowledge!

    I'm now a full member of the Society for the Promotion of Mediocrity in CAD. Standards? We don't need no stinkin' standards! Take whatever advice I offer and do the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maratovich View Post
    All standards come up for a long time and they are right, so they change no one will.
    The main thing that everyone will understand the same.
    Or will you change your files when you change computers?
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    Just because your "standards" are required to be adhered to does not make them right, it just makes the useless and cumbersome parts of them unavoidable.

    There has been an industry wide, international agreement universally applied to computer file formats out of mechanical necessity, in order to make them work on any computer in the world. Your comparison to computer files is so broad it almost sounds petulant.

    The word standard of itself implies the existence of options.

    What you are saying then, is that the book of standards you linked to is actually a book of requirements.

    We have no need of a national set of drafting requirements here. In fact the very thought of such a document is a bit foreboding.
    The S197 gen Ford Mustang, and the F-4 Phantom both prove the same theory. "With enough power applied, a school bus will fly."

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    Since the OP has not posted a second time out of 22 posts, I am going to go play elsewhere.
    The S197 gen Ford Mustang, and the F-4 Phantom both prove the same theory. "With enough power applied, a school bus will fly."

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    Enforcing standards has inherently good and bad results. It does create uniformity and mitigates complications, but it also is restrictive in nature, not allowing for creative output and discovery. We wouldn't have awesome programs such as Inventor or Revit if AutoCAD became the "one and only standard". "Standards" originate from a committee of humans, and humans have an emotional attachment to anything they're involved in. Standards are true only if mutually agreed upon by the committee which are speaking for all.

    Do I like Standards? You betcha. Do I like Standards being enforced by a private company as their own policy? Absolutely. Do I like Standards being enforced to an entire country by governmental law or rule? Hmmm.... that's where I'll draw the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzframpton View Post
    Do I like Standards? You betcha. Do I like Standards being enforced by a private company as their own policy? Absolutely. Do I like Standards being enforced to an entire country by governmental law or rule? Hmmm.... that's where I'll draw the line.

    Plus 1 to that. I agree with the first part that I didn't quote as well.
    The S197 gen Ford Mustang, and the F-4 Phantom both prove the same theory. "With enough power applied, a school bus will fly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tzframpton View Post
    Enforcing standards has inherently good and bad results. It does create uniformity and mitigates complications, but it also is restrictive in nature, not allowing for creative output and discovery. We wouldn't have awesome programs such as Inventor or Revit if AutoCAD became the "one and only standard".
    If Revit, Inventor or any other program cannot comply with standards used in a particular country, then that program should not be used in that country. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organic View Post
    If Revit, Inventor or any other program cannot comply with standards used in a particular country, then that program should not be used in that country. Simple.
    Isn't that just a bit over the top... (and by over the top, I mean completely facetious)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nestly View Post
    Isn't that just a bit over the top... (and by over the top, I mean completely facetious)
    No. No software program should try to dictate to an industry or country that it must change its standards. The software either complies with the existing standards or it isn't used (or if used requires cleanup afterwards in AutoCad etc to make the plans compliant).

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    Give me an example where Revit or Inventor cannot comply with a particular standard. If you can't, then I suggest you have a motive other than contributing useful information to this topic.

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