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    Quote Originally Posted by nestly View Post
    I'm really not that familiar with Desktop licensing yet, but I don't see any reason you shouldn't be able to download 2016 and run it as a trial for 30 days parallel with 2015. I wouldn't consider installing any of the betas, the shipping version has been populating subscription accounts since Thursday, and my understanding is that it will be widely available to everyone on Monday (Mar 23)
    I was calling the shipping version the "beta" as a joke. In some respects they tend to be a little bit beta at release.
    The S197 gen Ford Mustang, and the F-4 Phantom both prove the same theory. "With enough power applied, a school bus will fly."

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    It almost seems like these come out earlier and earlier every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana W View Post
    I was calling the shipping version the "beta" as a joke. In some respects they tend to be a little bit beta at release.
    Ok, I get it now.
    You're right, and I think that's the other reason people don't update right away. Even if you wait until SP2, you'll still be using AutoCAD 20xx before the 20xx calendar year begins....(base on recent history)


    Quote Originally Posted by Organic View Post
    It almost seems like these come out earlier and earlier every year.
    Maybe just a little bit because March began on the first day of the week, but the 3rd or 4th week in March is "normal". Wiki says it was the 20th this year, but the official released date is the 23rd. Also, now that download is the primary method of delivery, release date can potentially be sooner as they don't have wait for physical media to be created after they settle on a "final" version to release.

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    From what I have been reading og AutoCad 2016 it looks like there are qutie a few new handy features.

    - Revision cloud tools looks good.
    - Box text looks good (similar to Lee Macs routine which I currently use)
    - Points cloud features look like a big improvement and will put a dent in some of the add on point cloud software programs for AutoCad
    - Dims look improved
    - Geometric centre snap looks good, especially for simple shapes such as rectangles and triangles.
    - Xref layer overrides is a big improvement
    - PDF improvements looks good, not sure why 4 plot setups required for PDFs though - seems overkill out of the box.
    - Seems pointless that the password feature for a dwg has been removed - then again I have never known anyone to actually use it
    - Systems variable monitor looks handy

    Overall it looks a lot better than the new features that were provided in 2015. The big test will be how the new point cloud sectioning tools work in practice and not in the pretty marketing images.

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    Having participated in several Betas, including this one, it is always interesting to see the comments that follow public announcement\release.

    1+ that 2016 is both nothing earth shattering, and performs equally well as 2015; which itself was a substantial improvement over that of 2014 here (using Infrastructure Design Suite).



    Quote Originally Posted by Organic View Post
    - Geometric centre snap looks good, especially for simple shapes such as rectangles and triangles.
    For many years now, Gile has publicly posted the .NET source code for his CTR (Center) custom OSNAP (among others, such as Quarter, Third, and Fraction [user defined], etc., in addition to his OSNAP Palette App on Exchange), so I personally found this new GCE (geometric center) OSNAP to be sub-par by comparison, as GCE fails to find geometric center for closed polylines with overlapping geometry, whereas CTR successfully accounts for this potentiality.

    For these reasons, I shall hence forth affectionately refer to GCE as the "Gilles Chanteau Emulator" - similar, but just not quite as good.

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    Don't take my comments to heart. I was mostly just messing around, and feeling cranky. For 2D drafting from scratch, line by line, AutoCad still eats the other brands for lunch. As a programmer with nearly 24 years experience, I know nothing EVER gets deployed bug free.
    The S197 gen Ford Mustang, and the F-4 Phantom both prove the same theory. "With enough power applied, a school bus will fly."

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    No, I meant that I've had many of these same discussions during the actual Beta (not dog piling your apt reference in levity), among others that I still cannot discuss despite my NDA being lifted; just an interesting perspective for one to observe others' conversations about the product being released is all.

    While I too have access to 2016 through my ADN account, at work we use Infrastructure Design Suite, which won't be out for a while longer. I'm probably going to install 2016 on a Client Hyper-V virtual machine so my team can tinker via RDP during lunches, etc. before we get IDSP 2016 deployed... I'm already doing the same for Win10x64 TP, so I'll probably just install 2016 on that same VM.

    [Edit] - That is where I tested 2016 anyway, using Win10x64 VM. Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana W View Post
    For 2D drafting from scratch, line by line, AutoCad still eats the other brands for lunch.
    I agree and i don't see the purpose of adding new functions in the upgrades if users will never use them, sad to realize that tools and functions are removed to be replaced by others that are useless.

    Lt version is an option for 2d but one can always manage to do a bit of 3d with thickness modified.

    For lisp one can always opt for a cheaper version and use their lisp and then open it with lt and move on.

    If cad would charge the extra dollars to be able to run lisp in LT version i really think it would be worth the extra dollars and increase the market.

    But then again question remains is 2d on the edge of being extinct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBP View Post
    I agree and i don't see the purpose of adding new functions in the upgrades if users will never use them, sad to realize that tools and functions are removed to be replaced by others that are useless.

    Lt version is an option for 2d but one can always manage to do a bit of 3d with thickness modified.

    For lisp one can always opt for a cheaper version and use their lisp and then open it with lt and move on.

    If cad would charge the extra dollars to be able to run lisp in LT version i really think it would be worth the extra dollars and increase the market.

    But then again question remains is 2d on the edge of being extinct.
    Yeah, I meant to add the LT in there, since that is what I use. It's like an F-22 Raptor to Drasftsight's S.P.A.D. S.XIII, which is also appropriately French.
    The S197 gen Ford Mustang, and the F-4 Phantom both prove the same theory. "With enough power applied, a school bus will fly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBP View Post
    I agree and i don't see the purpose of adding new functions in the upgrades if users will never use them, sad to realize that tools and functions are removed to be replaced by others that are useless.

    Lt version is an option for 2d but one can always manage to do a bit of 3d with thickness modified.

    For lisp one can always opt for a cheaper version and use their lisp and then open it with lt and move on.

    If cad would charge the extra dollars to be able to run lisp in LT version i really think it would be worth the extra dollars and increase the market.

    But then again question remains is 2d on the edge of being extinct.
    I don't think a lot of people use AutoCad for 3d work though. E.g. civil users use Civil 3D or a separate program for 3d work. I presume mechanical design would be similar, e.g. use a 3D addon (MEP) or a separate program for 3D design.

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