Jack_O'neill Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Good hijack Jack! Your story reminds me of the old phrase ... Old age and deceit always wins out over youth and enthusiasm Hey! Who you calling "old"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeds Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Hey! Who you calling "old"? Well ... I resemble that statement! and they definitely sound younger than most of us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_O'neill Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Well ... I resemble that statement! and they definitely sound younger than most of us! LOL...they were my friend. I think the oldest one was 25...maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankman Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Drafting, building, now use AutoCAD designing. Drafting and fabricating tanks, chemical systems, piping, etc., for years, is the backbone of my knowledge, now all my work is done on a PDA, laptop or workstation. I don't even need an eraser! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_O'neill Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Drafting, building, now use AutoCAD designing. Drafting and fabricating tanks, chemical systems, piping, etc., for years, is the backbone of my knowledge, now all my work is done on a PDA, laptop or workstation. I don't even need an eraser! Do you still have an electric eraser, and better yet, one of the sharpeners for the long rubber bit that went in them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkleinchester Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 someone that is entry level is a technician someone that just draws what is in front of them is a draftsmen someone that thinks is a designer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCAD Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 someone that thinks is a designer I've got at least three examples that would prove this wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkleinchester Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I will have to correct my statement. A designer is someone that should know what they are drawing! I refer to the unknowing as Cadflunkies! and some other choice words when I get plans from them and have to make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenMc Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 i dont consider technician to be entry level. there are guys in my office with over 10 years expierience and their job title is technician. in my company this is what a technician does:- Technicians produce detailed design and layout drawings for construction projects. They prepare drawings using AutoCAD. They also use computers for planning work, keeping records, administration and figure work. Technicians carry out some measurement work. This includes taking measurements of completed work on-site so that payments to contractors can be calculated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeds Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 i dont consider technician to be entry level.there are guys in my office with over 10 years expierience and their job title is technician. in my company this is what a technician does:- Technicians produce detailed design and layout drawings for construction projects. They prepare drawings using AutoCAD. They also use computers for planning work, keeping records, administration and figure work. Technicians carry out some measurement work. This includes taking measurements of completed work on-site so that payments to contractors can be calculated. Shoot, that describes me ... but then I'm self employed so I do it all, including sweep up after the cat. I still think I am a pixel pusher. See sig quote below ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradbb2005 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I believe it all depends on what they know about the work they are doing. AutoCad is only a tool and as good as the person using it, a drafter just draws what they are told thats it, a designer actually needs to think about how the layout will be and set things up.....so CAD USER may be more appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder76 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ok here's my two cents... CAD User = CAD Technician Someone who has the ability to use CAD. CAD Drafter = Next level up Some one who has working knowledge of drafting standards and practices and uses that knowledge combined with a CAD program to produce design drawings. CAD Designer = Level after CAD Drafter One who has the knowledge to design in the discipline applied to and utilizes CAD to accomplish the design. Sometimes cleaned up by a CAD Drafter or CAD Technician sometimes not. or One who can customize CAD program with automation that makes the user, no matter what type of user, more efficient. Sometimes titled as CAD Manager. Well that's about as organized as my brain can get this afternoon. You know - when you read ads in the paper and they say Electrical Engineer you can be fairly certain what kind of skills are expected of you. Not so with CAD positions. They run the full spectrum of skill levels and expectation levels. I have seen jobs listed as CAD Operator and the skill level they wanted was that of an engineering designer with cad programming abilities for $10/hr. Well...needless to say they will be going a very long time before they fill that position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.P.I Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 what's a CAD ENGINEER then..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbroada Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 what's a CAD ENGINEER then..? does this help? A tourist walked into a pet shop and was looking at the animals on display. While he was there, another customer walked in and said to the shopkeeper, "I'll have an CAD monkey please." The shopkeeper nodded, went over to a cage at the side of the shop and took out a monkey. He fitted a collar and leash, handed it to the customer, saying, "That'll be $5000." The customer paid and walked out with his monkey. Startled, the tourist went over to the shopkeeper and said, "That was a very expensive monkey. Most of them are only few hundred dollars. Why did that one cost so much?" The Shopkeeper answered, "Ah, that monkey can draw in CAD - very fast, clear layouts, no mistakes, well worth the money." The tourist looked at a monkey in another cage. "That one's even more expensive! $10,000! What does it do?" "Oh, that one's a Design monkey; it can design systems, layout projects, mark-up drawings, write specifications, some even calculate. All the really useful stuff," said the shopkeeper. The tourist looked around for a little longer and saw a third monkey in a cage of its own. The price tag around its neck read $50,000. He gasped to the shopkeeper, "That one costs more than all the others put together! What on earth does it do?" The shopkeeper replied, "Well, I haven't actually seen it do anything, but it says it's an Engineer." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder76 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dave - I'm dyin' here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbroada Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 unfortunately I stole it from somewhere. Seemed appropriate to give to my Cad Monkey (along with a "speak no evil" carved monkey) for her recent 30th birthday though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryder76 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkent Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 CAD User = beginning monkey, knows CAD software only Drafter = one with actual drafting knowledge, knows CAD software Designer = one with actual drafting knowledge and know how things are built, can design solutions to problems with CAD Technician = someone in a technical hands on trade, electronics, etc. But not involved with CAD. (A person with an Engineering degree only is in limbo, they can't call themselves an Engineer, however the employer can.) Engineer in Training = one with an engineering degree that has passed the EIT exam. Engineer = one with an engineering degree AND their PE These days the drafting and design work is assumed to be done on CAD software. Putting the CAD in front of the title is like calling an accountant a "Excel Accountant". My $0.02 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevsmith Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I think CAD Designer sound silly. Sounds like someone who designs CAD systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevsmith Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 CAD Operator - Entry Level, working underneath a manager or engineer. CAD Draughtsman - Person with working knowledge with the discipline they are in Design Draughtsman - Person who has the design solution ability with extensive knowldge over several disciplines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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