steven-g Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 You pay your money and take your choice. Hear Hear. I totally agree, but I also do everything I can to push LT beyond it's supplied interface, using scripts and macro's and batch programming, and I can fully understand why people would buy such products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Software customization is part of what you pay for with full AutoCAD. Autodesk's position is that LT is not customizable beyond what is built into the product. I was not under the impression this new forum for LT was actually for add-ons and such, but since that's where the focus has been recently, if that's the intent, then I'd say "no", otherwise I'm still not opposed to a dedicated LT forum for users to get LT specific help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven-g Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Software customization is part of what you pay for with full AutoCAD. Autodesk's position is that LT is not customizable beyond what is built into the product. I was not under the impression this new forum for LT was actually for add-ons and such, but since that's where the focus has been recently, if that's the intent, then I'd say "no", otherwise I'm still not opposed to a dedicated LT forum for users to get LT specific help. Agreed customization is also a part of LT and that is the point of this thread, but it shouldn't be about commercial products, it is about a place where users can help each other to develop there skills using the available tools, like scripts and macro's but aimed at the resources available in LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyke Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Whilst agreeing fully with the last two posts of Steve and nestly, I have another view on things. I have used LT, but a long time ago, I have used vanilla AutoCAD and now use Civil 3D as well. It's not that we should go illegal and do things not intended by Autodesk, but it's more that we should push all of the Autodesk products we use to their limits, but legally. I get a certain amount of kick when I write a LISP routine, a VBA macro or a .NET plug in which does something that the Autodesk product cannot do. Autodesk cannot implement every single wish of every single user, so why is it a problem when the user implements it himself. It is not a problem! This new (?) forum might just allow somebody to do something that is not inbuilt in LT. More power to their elbow and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven-g Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 And that is the whole point, anytime anyone steps away from the standard menu items, then they are hopefully customizing Autocad in a positive and useful way. Which Autodesk actively encourages by giving us all these different tools. It's one of the reasons that Autodesk stand out from other packages. Just look at the number of threads in the Lisp forum it tops everything except the General forum. If there was a forum specifically aimed at the LT community I think it would help people realize that LT isn't just a poor mans electronic drawing board striped of everything 'useful', it is a really powerful tool, but to get the power out of it you have to adapt it, and that information is scarce. We need an LT forum that challenges people to think 'out of the box', and then use the tools that are in the box to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyke Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 and that is the whole point, anytime anyone steps away from the standard menu items, then they are hopefully customizing autocad in a positive and useful way. Which autodesk actively encourages by giving us all these different tools. It's one of the reasons that autodesk stand out from other packages. Just look at the number of threads in the lisp forum it tops everything except the general forum. If there was a forum specifically aimed at the lt community i think it would help people realize that lt isn't just a poor mans electronic drawing board striped of everything 'useful', it is a really powerful tool, but to get the power out of it you have to adapt it, and that information is scarce. We need an lt forum that challenges people to think 'out of the box', and then use the tools that are in the box to do it. Precisely!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f700es Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I think if someone want to develop a 2D cad system they need to look at NanoCAD. It seems it allows this type of development. http://nanocad.com/page/Developer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyke Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 ... then they are hopefully customizing Autocad in a positive and useful way. ...and this should be shared with others. There is also the AutoCAD Wish List where the needs of normal AutoCAD users are evaluated by Autodesk and sometimes incorporated into future Releases. Such a Forum can only emphasise the needs of LT users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neophoible Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I was not under the impression this new forum for LT was actually for add-ons and such, but since that's where the focus has been recently, if that's the intent, then I'd say "no", otherwise I'm still not opposed to a dedicated LT forum for users to get LT specific help.Your first impression was correct. The new forum was never intended to be anything beyond helping LT users in a legit way. Though there may have been an unwarranted concern expressed, the focus has actually been on not doing things illegally and it seems to me that that focus hasn't changed at all, nor will it. CADTutor is very good about keeping the entire site that way, that is, legitimately focused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzframpton Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 CADTutor is very good about keeping the entire site that way, that is, legitimately focused.I agree with this. I haven't ever experienced anyone who advocates illegal actions on this board, and any newcomers that do gets moderated immediately. I remember something R. K. McSwain said once... paraphrasing here but basically "you don't need a $5k program called AutoCAD to do what you do - people have been using hand drafting methods for thousands of years and have done through the years." I could not have agreed more and I then realized the legitimacy of purchasing software, even software with a steep price tag. Same principal goes for LT - it's worth every penny depending on your needs and this site will not advocate "gray area" add-ins, and certainly not illegal 3rd party add-ins. My $0.02 worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuns Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Well at any rate, how can I get David to take notice of this poll? It's obvious the community agrees with it but the trouble now is getting the admin to take notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Well at any rate, how can I get David to take notice of this poll? It's obvious the community agrees with it but the trouble now is getting the admin to take notice. Perhaps ask a moderator to move it from "AutoCAD > General" into "Feedback"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f700es Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Done and I sent him a PM about adding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbroada Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 maybe David is the one who voted NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuns Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 maybe David is the one who voted NO. Oh God I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzframpton Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Clicking the number of votes will show the ones who voted. It's a public poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbroada Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Clicking the number of votes will show the ones who voted. It's a public poll. but where's the fun in that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzframpton Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 haha, this is a true statement Dave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CADTutor Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 OK, the community has spoken! You now have a specific LT forum. Go ahead and use it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuns Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 OK, the community has spoken! You now have a specific LT forum. Go ahead and use it! I want to hug you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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