Invisible text

[GliderRider]

I have text in paper space over a viewport that is not showing up. If I do a crossing window, it appears with the grips. I've tried turning the annotation on/off, do a regen, it won't appear. Some text is an attributed block, other is plain text. The size is 2.5 and 3.0.

Layers are all on and unfrozen.
Text does not appear when plotted either.

Any ideas?

[GliderRider]

Oh, and the text that is not in front of the viewport is just fine, and on the same layer as the disappearing text.

??

[wannabe]

Colour set to print out as white?

[GliderRider]

No, some is yellow, some is green.

[GliderRider]

Sorry, set to print out as black, as all the text is. Monochrome.

[wannabe]

How about annotation settings?

[GliderRider]

Not only invisible when plotting, it's invisible on the screen until you use a crossing window.

[GliderRider]

Tried on, tried off. no difference.

[GliderRider]

I've opened another file that is exactly the same setup, where the text is not disappearing in front of the viewport.

I've done a comparison of every line in the properties box of one piece of text, and of the viewport of each of these files. Both are identical.

I can pick the invisible text and copy it off the viewport area, and it shows up. Move it back over the viewport area and it disappears. The text is in paper space. There is an aerial image in model space. It shouldn't make a difference, but if I unload the xreffed aerial image, the text shows up. Reload the image and it disappears.

[rkent]

I remember seeing this a few releases back, thought it was fixed by now.

Two things to try, go into the viewport and set SHADEMODE to 2D.

Go into Options, System, Layout Regen Options, set to Regen when switching layouts.

I have seen both of those exhibit the behaviour you describe.

[MaxwellEdison]

Also, someone may have used a wipeout in lieu of a background mask on the text. Try WIPEOUT->F->ON to turn on frames for wipeouts so if one is there it can be selected. Also using Ctrl+A it can be selected with everything else, but if the text grip points match those of the wipeout you may not be able to see a difference.

[GliderRider]

I clicked into the viewport, typed shademode, and 2dwireframe was the default. There isn't any other 2d choice.
When I just pick the viewport it's just wireframe, not 2dwireframe. The setting was As Displayed. I changed it to Wireframe as well, did a regenall, but no success.

The regen when switching layouts was also checked on.
I've been doing manual regens as well, just in case.

One thing more to mention. There are 2 others on this project with me. One is working in Autocad Raster 2004. One is working in straight Autocad 2004, and I have Raster 2009. It's happening in all three versions, but just wondering if switching back and forth between versions might be a problem?

[GliderRider]

We avoid using masks/wipeout because of potential printing problems, (they don't work on our B/W plotter) but I double checked. No frames.

[MaxwellEdison]

It very well could be a raster image obscuring the text. Try setting the system variable IMAGEFRAME to 2 so that the raster frames will be shown but not plotted. This would work similar to the wipeouts I described in my last post. If you have wipeouts or raster images in the file that should be there, setting the DRAWORDER of the text to bring it to the front would correct an issue like this.

[GliderRider]

Fortunately we set up the dwgs from scratch and know exactly what's in them. They are still pretty bare and new. We have done 70 sheets, and this has happened in about 20 of them.

I tried what you said above with no luck. Draw order was one of the first things, although it didn't make sense as paper space objects should always be above model space objects.

Still battling.

[rkent]

What are you settings in the plot dialog for plotting PS last and for merge or overwrite? And in the pagesetup do you have Display Plotstyle in PS checked or unchecked? Going from memory here so the exact terms are escaping me right now.

[GliderRider]

Thank, I had forgotten about Print PS last. That solves the problem of at least getting prints for eng. I don't see a Pagesetup option as you describe above though, nothing in the plot dialog box that gives those choices.

[rkent]

You need to go into the pagesetup for that PS drawing. So right click on the layout tab, pick pagesetup manager, look at the Current Page name near the top center - below the Current Layout name, now highlight that one in the list below that, modify, finally look to the upper right, uncheck Display Plot Styles. While there look below that box in Shaded Viewport options, is there a shade plot setting or does it say as displayed?

Hopefully that will help.

[GliderRider]

Sorry, of course.
the Display Plot Styles is unchecked.
The Shaded viewport options is not an option for me. Grayed out. The grayed out setting is wireframe. I believe that gets set in the properties box. Tried all those settings yesterday.