3d rotate

I am trying to use 3d rotate but i set it to the right ucs but then it will change when i click the tool on to the surface which i want to rotate which i think is why it doesn't stick to a line to rotate exactly Any help would be greatly reseved MK

Do you have DUCS on?

I have go it on i just find the ucs a bit unpridicable

I do hope you have the UCS icon turned on at least.

i have it switched on an try my best to use them but im not that great at getting it to work how i want

Arch 2009 must have a Ribbon across the top right? And you are working in a 3D workspace right? Is there a View tab with a UCS panel on it that you can use? Or how about the ViewCube?

i use the cube and the drop down menu and the other tool bar to

Seems like you're using every tool available (unlike me). It just takes time and practice. Don't give up. You'll get the hang of it.

do you think before i finish?

I have every confidence in you so my answer is YES!

I'm trying probablely badly though i can't say i do anything properly everything i have learnt from by myself or on here as our tech cannot work cad and loves formZ which i can't find anyone using. anyway do you know if there is any good short tutorials on the ucs?

You don't have to go far for a tutorial about the User Coordinate System. There's one right here at CADTutor. Isn't that one of the reasons you joined? Look at the top left hand corner of the screen. See the word Tutorials? Click on that. You'll see a tutorial for the UCS listed under AutoCAD Basics. You can also use Google or Yahoo and do a search by typing (exactly as soon):

"autocad"+"ucs"+tutorial"