m1ck3y Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Hi Everyone, Hope I find you well. I'm reasonably new to dynamic blocks, but I seem to be making good progress. However, I recently created a dynamic block of a door, which can flip, resize etc. The problems start when I try and insert the block into another drawing. It loses all of it's dynamic capabilities, it reverts back to a normal block! It works fine in the original drawing, but no others! Any suggestions would be most gratefully appreciated Quote
Tiger Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Do you have the Explode-box ticked when you Insert the block? Quote
MSasu Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Dynamic blocks are a relatively new capability of AutoCAD and therefore un-available in old releases. It is possible that your trouble-maker drawing was saved as an old version? This may be the reason that the block is recognized as standard instead of dynamic. Regards, Quote
m1ck3y Posted June 23, 2010 Author Posted June 23, 2010 Thanks for the quick response No on both counts I'm afraid. I'm not exploding the block on insertion and the file is being saved as a 2010 file. One other interesting point. If I copy the block from the original drawing, and then paste it into a new one, it works fine! I know I'm confused Quote
Tiger Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 I know I'm confused you and me both... I can't think about anything else other than somehow the block gets exploded... Quote
dbroada Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 one other "gotcha". Dynamic blocks loose their dynamism if x,y & z scales are not IDENTICAL and AutoCAD itself makes errors in Z scale of scaled blocks. Is it possible you have inserted it into an imperial|metric (delete as appropriate) drawing and allowed AutoCAD to scale it automatically so that it looks right? Even if the properties show it to be scaled at 1 in all three planes type that back in by hand. Quote
m1ck3y Posted June 23, 2010 Author Posted June 23, 2010 I've left the scales for autoCAD to sort, so perhaps you could be right dbroada. How do I enter them by hand? Forgive my ignorance But wouldn't that mean that even AutoCAD's sample dynamic blocks wouldn't work? They work fine. Quote
MSasu Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 Select the block and in Properties will find Scale X, Scale Y and Scale Z fields. Regards, Quote
dbroada Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 But wouldn't that mean that even AutoCAD's sample dynamic blocks wouldn't work? They work fine. all I know is that my metric dynamic blocks stopped working when scaled by 0.03937007874015748031496062992126 I guess the supplied blocks are mostly imperial so a scale of 25.4 is easier for a computer to handle. The difference was only visible in about the 8th decimal place so it is a tiny error but enough to stop my blocks working. If its not that then I'm sorry, I don't have any other ideas either. Can you post the problem block (although I can't look at 2010 created blocks)? Quote
qball Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 I have had this problem occasionally and I just re-inserted the block or re-opened the drawing and tried again. I don't know what causes it. Quote
sevdo2000 Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 In block editor make "scale uniformly" to "yes" in properties panel, that makes block to lock "y" and "z" scales. Quote
dbroada Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 I would have thought AutoCAD would use the same algorithm to scale whether that box was ticked or not. I'll try when I get to work tomorrow. Quote
dbroada Posted June 23, 2010 Posted June 23, 2010 you have the advantage over me, you have a screen to look at - I just guessed. Quote
m1ck3y Posted June 24, 2010 Author Posted June 24, 2010 Hi Everyone, Thanks for all your help. I've attached the offending drawing. NEW_DYNAMIC_SINGLE_DOOR.dwg Quote
m1ck3y Posted June 24, 2010 Author Posted June 24, 2010 Hello again. I've cracked it! , Well... Kinda If I right click on the original (working) dynamic block and then paste it into a tool palette it retains its dynamic properties and I can then add it from the tool palette to any drawing. I'm still unable to insert it... but it's better than nothing! Quote
Tiger Posted June 24, 2010 Posted June 24, 2010 If I take the drawing you uploaded and Insert it as a block directly, it is just a block, can't do anything with it. If I explode the block once, it works like I assume you intended it, I can Flip it, turn it, make it bigger/smaller with the arrows. I can also, if I open your drawing and use WBLOCK get the block Dynamic_door out to its own DWG and then, if I insert that block in a new drawing, it works fine. So no idea what the problem is Quote
m1ck3y Posted June 24, 2010 Author Posted June 24, 2010 lol - it's an interesting problem isn't it The explode command works the same for me too... I'm even more confused now! Quote
Tiger Posted June 24, 2010 Posted June 24, 2010 Wait wait. The problem from the start was not that the block exploded, it was that it was just a normal block? With one insertion-point and no Dynamic Capabilites? and if you explode that, it works like it should? If that is the case, you have a block within a block, that is the problem. If you open the offending block and use the command WBLOCK, select just the block, nothing else and save it to another location. Then Insert that, does that work? Quote
m1ck3y Posted June 24, 2010 Author Posted June 24, 2010 Nope... that didn't work. But I agree it doeas look as though the dynamic block is nested inside of a standard block, but surely, it would be the same on the original drawing? Quote
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