LTSCALE - Model Space vs Paper Space

[tennis4you]

Can I change the LTSCALE in paper space and in model space interchangeably?

 

I am struggling with the batt insulation big time. I get it looking perfect in paper space and then I go to model space and move a piece of batt insulation and then when I go back to paper space the LTSCALE of the batt insulation has changed. It's really weird. Batt insulation is killing me. I set the LTSCALE globally as well as each individual batt insulation but it keeps changing without me messign with the LTSCALE. Killing... Me...

[nestly]

LTSCALE is the global setting, but the scale can be controlled individually with MSLTSCALE and PSLTSCALE. Typically, I have them all set to 1, along with CELTSCALE (Current Entity)

[tennis4you]

I guess that makes no sense to me. At LTSCALE = 1 all the lines will print solid (I am mainly referring to dashed lines). And I am using the AutoCAD line styles that come with AutoCAD like "Hidden". I have to make adjustments to get them to print right at the different scales.

 

But the batten insulation line is acting weird. It seems to change scales at random. I was wondering if when I type LTSCALE in paper space if I am messing things up in Model Space, or vis versa. Or maybe it is all the same?

[ThrashMetal]

have you tried just refreshing it since most times the linetype changes when we look at it but when it is printed it will look ok.

 

if not, what i do is set PSLTSCALE to 1, then set LTSCALE at the layout page to the proper value (until the lineweights appear proper or as should be), it will not look the same though when im in the model space since the scale there is 1:1 and the scale in the layout is dependent on your inputed scale,(for example, if im using meters, i set the scale at the layout to 1:.001 so theres a big difference) but thats ok just as long as it looks ok at the layout since that will be the one printed.

 

hope this helps.

[tennis4you]

Refreshing does not help at all and the saga continues. I set PSLTSCALE to 1 and then go into the layout and change the LTSCALE and everything looks perfect. I go back to model space and make one simple change and then go back to paper space and all the lines are all huge again. I try setting the LTSCALE to what it was previous when it looked good 30 seconds ago and it does not work. I need to make it some other number. But the cycle continues, one change in model space and all line scales get screwed up again. This is not making any sense. I am seriously lost.

[nestly]

Post a sample drawing if possible.

[tennis4you]

I just copy and pasted everything into a new file and it seems to be acting OK now. Must have been an AutoCAD glitch?

[ThrashMetal]

ah..lol..sometimes there are really somethings that cannot be explained in cad, that would have been my next suggestion, copying all to a new file. i learned that from cad64..

 

but to evaluate the problem more closely i would suggest nestly's comment, post the cad file so as we could evaluate it more clearly..

[tzframpton]

Set up in your template the LTSCALE, MSLTSCALE, & PSLTSCALE accordingly so you'll never have to mess with it. Best option. Also, set the CANNOSCALE which is what the MSLTSCALE is based on. Here are my settings in my startup template:

 

LTSCALE ......... 0.375
MSLTSCALE ....... 1
PSLTSCALE ....... 1
CELTSCALE ....... 1
CANNOSCALE ...... 1/8" = 1'-0"

 

If you want to further automate the BATTING linetype, you can utilize the Tool Palettes to preset the linetype scale directly to the line tool per each scaled Viewport you will be working in. You can drag/drop a LINE with the linetype selected over to the Tool Palette, then right-click > Properties for your preset options. This can speed up your efficiency.

[Pablo Ferral]

I put together a post on Linetype scaling that might help you understand what each variable is controlling.

http://cadsetterout.com/autocad/line-type-scales/

 

However, you might consider using a hatch rather than a Linetype:

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Dynamic-Blocks/Insulation-to-fill-my-element-block/m-p/2751382/highlight/true#M12161