Adding Images 2 UTM ZONES

[brl2008]

Hello to all

 

The drawing is a hand me down to me. We do pipeline and we are looking at sites along a pipeline. So when we first started looking in this one areaare images where set in UTM Zone 18. how my boss want to look at at some site along the same pipeline but more east of the image that we have. So I download the next county over. I type in MAPIINSERT hit ok, go scale the image, base point 0,0,, times by 3.28084, zoom extend and the image come's in to the west of the first image.Come to fine ount the first image is in Zone 18 and the second image is in Zone 19. So how do I put 2 images of different UTM Zones into one drawing.

 

thank you all that reply

brl2008-bruce

[rickh]

Maybe this will help...? It documents what you have been doing, and below that it documents two ways to do what you are attempting to do. I haven't done the process (I don't have any images with these circumstances), but it's worth a shot. Hope it helps.

http://www.mastergraphics.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/the-deal-with-geo-referenced-images.pdf

[brl2008]

rickh - thank you for the link i'm going to try what it say. i'll let you if it work for me

 

brl2008

[brl2008]

rickh

i try following the steps, but i think i have mis something so at this time i'm using "terrain navigator pro" it give aerial and quad images and when i export them it give me a chose of what zone i can place it in. the images are small so have do many of them.

 

thank for the help

brl2008

[rickh]

well it's good you found something anyway...are the images you are downloading from a publicly available location? I wouldn't mind trying this challenge myself...but I don't know off hand where to get any images like that...not quite my forte. I'm a little curious how it might work if you create two base files - one in zone 18, and one in zone 19 - and then attach the images in each location to their respective base files, and xref the base files together (again though...just a wild uninformed guess here). I'm sure someone somewhere has had the same issues at some point....

[brl2008]

rickh

here the website that we use to get images from http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov/. i try setting up two different drawing and xref one into the other but got the same results.

thank for the input

brl2008

[rickh]

can you specify what map/options you are using for download with a screen shot, like below...

 

[brl2008]

hi rickh

 

i try a print screen of my order not working for me. so i'll tell the step i took for my map images. when you get to the ordering part i selected massachusetts, pick the county i needed (hampden county) scroll down to "ortho imagery" check the must current image (2010 national ag. imagery program mosaic 1map 787.441mb) hit continue, under delivery check "FTP" hit continue, fill out info(name,email,company, etc..) hit continue, review order, then on the left side of screen hit place order. wait for email to confrim my order, got 4 days to download the images. i do this for each county that i need. massachusetts has 2-utm zones, zone 18 and zone 19 and at the time i when thru these steps each time. the hell broke loose when went put the into my drawinng. it sometimes takes 3-5hours and sometimes i have download it couple of time cause of errors on website.

 

thank for the reply

brl2008

[brl2008]

rickh

 

i try it agan and work for me so here my order, sorry it small

 

again thanks for the reply

brl2008

[rickh]

cool, I'll try to mess around this weekend...wish me luck.

[brl2008]

good luck!

[rickh]

bruce, I downloaded the files (luckily pretty quick for me...about 5 minutes). One question I have is how did you use mapiinsert for these file types? I get "invalid" message for shp files.

 

 

 

In any case, I went ahead and messed with the MAPWSPACE (type it and select "on") trying to follow the first link from Mastergraphics. It does seem to work for me (take that with a grain of salt...I don't have anyone to verify coordinates after the transforms). Were there specific steps that didn't make sense, or just the process didn't work for you? I'll try to explain what I did.

1. Start my design drawing and set up the drawing settings for the correct zone.
   
2. Start a new drawing. Let's say this one is for zone 19. (the steps to follow use the data connection to shp since I don't have raster images)
   
   • open the mapwspace
     
   • press data->connect to data
     
   • in the dialog that opens, select "add shp data"..browse to the folder with the shp files for this zone.
     
   • press "connect", then "add to drawing".
     
   • you should see the newly added maps in the drawing, and if you look at the drawing settings, the zone is automatically applied to the drawing based on the map settings.
     

[*]Start another new drawing, for zone 18. Use the same steps as #2 for this map set. (the reason we set up 3 drawings is because the maps are set in meters (2 zones) and the design drawing is in us foot - 3 different datums).

[*]Then I followed the steps in situation 2-b from the Mastergraphics pdf, starting at step 7 (attach source drawings). I didn't change my workspace...just loaded mapwspace and used the commands for "civil 3d 2009 or earlier" as noted in the pdf.

That seemed to work for me. When I brought in the other zone drawings to my design drawing, there was definitely a transformation being done. The key is that each drawing has it's own correct zone settings. I'll note that the "connected" shp files did not come through to the design drawing from the other zone drawings, but anything active in those drawings did come through to the design drawing. So really, your method of having the raster image "in" the drawing and not just "connected" should allow it to come through from one zone drawing to the design drawing (this is in accordance with the mapiinsert explained in the pdf, but note the underlined "same coordinate system as the image file" used in this drawing - the data connect methods will show what zone is supposed to be used, just to verify your settings). This is difficult to explain, but the bottom line is that the "attach source drawing" combined with the "query" is doing the transformation between zones. I was just drawing simple rectangles around the shp files in their respective drawings, and when I attached them to the design drawing, I could see an obvious position, scale, and rotation being applied to those rectangles (and of course when those source drawings were detached, the rectangles stayed in the design drawing, I believe because of the query used).

 

This probably reads like total jibberish, but it did seem to work. If this does in fact work, the process would be simple...because you could have these "dummy" drawings for each zone used and just attach all your rasters from each zone into the specified dummy drawing. Then you could attach all rasters from a certain zone at once into the design drawing with a different zone.

 

In any case, it looks like the Map3D hiding within Civil3D may be a solution. If you still don't have luck with the pdf methods, I would suggest posting in and browsing around in the Map3D forums. There is probably even a way to make those shp files I was connecting to active...I just got kind of long-winded in the research. I hope some of this makes enough sense to figure out how the settings should work. Below is just a screen shot of how the data connect will read and apply the correct zone from the dowloaded map files.

[rustysilo]

yes. you must use Map to do it. you'll have two drawings, each set up in the respective zone of the image. bring the images into each of those drawings and then you'll be able to use Map to query one into the other or you can start a completely different dwg in the coordinate system that you need and bring them both in at the same time.

 

also pay attention to the units of the images and your dwgs. i've seen images where the metadata says they're in feet when they actually end up being in meters so if your coordinate systems are all set proper and they still aren't coming in correctly that may be the issue.

 

you can use the Map Data Connect or you can perform a query by attaching the dwgs via the Map Workspace, then go to Current Query > Define

 

if you're still having trouble with this just say so.