Issues with scaling

[sheherezade]

I've completed my drawing in modelspace, scale 1:1. I'm about to set up for plotting in 1:00 scale. I go to layout, pan the image, set scale to 1:100 and lock the viewport. Everything is peachy so far. I also need to have some dims on my drawing, so I go back to paperspace, change the scale from 1:1 to 1:100 and all hell breaks loose and my drawing is left as a mess.

Would anyone mind having a look at my file and if possible give me some input as to what's going on and hopefully how I can work around this?

kopi.dwg

[the ber]

Are you trying to make all the views fit into the 1:100 viewport? They won't fit into an A3 sheet.

[sheherezade]

No, I'm going to have one A3 sheet for the floorplans, one for the section and one or two for the facades.

To me it looks like it might be my blocks that go mad when I change the scale. I do remember that I marked the "annotative" box in the "create block" window. Could this be the cause of my problems?

[the ber]

I'm sorry, but I don't see any "mess". I see that your views are shifted to the right in paper space, but that might be because you've specified a drawing size (if you turn on the grid you'll see what I mean). Can you be more specific about how you would like the paper-space drawing to look?

[sheherezade]

Well, here's an example of the mess I was talking about. What I've done prior to this "incident" is make 3 copies of the A3 layout already in the drawing file, gone into the first of these A3 layouts, deleted the existing viewport and drawn two vertical viewports instead. I then panned the first of my two floorplans into the first viewport, changed the scale to 1:100 and ended up with this...

 

It's not visible on the screendump, but when this happens the command line comes up with "Could not evaluate hatch boundaries at all supported scales" and "Hatch boundary associativity removed - no more scales may be added."

[rkent]

You don't want blocks like windows to be annotative, they should always view the same size regardless of the annoscale. The mess you are seeing is the windows and other annotative blocks adjusting to the new annotative scale.

[sheherezade]

Is there a way to remove the annotative option without having to redraw all the blocks? I can't seem to find anything in the block editor and the annotative notation under "properties" is locked so I can't change anything there. Typing "change" in the command line and following the prompts there doesn't work either.

Edited December 2, 2012 by sheherezade

[eldon]

I also need to have some dims on my drawing, so I go back to paperspace, change the scale from 1:1 to 1:100 and all hell breaks loose and my drawing is left as a mess.

 

What I can't understand is why you want to change the paperspace scale to put in some dimensions. Can you not set up the dimension style to scale dimensions to layout (paperspace), then no scaling of paperspace is needed.

[sheherezade]

Sorry, I mean modelspace. Anyway, I think I figured it out at last. I ended up exploding all the blocks and redefining them without the annotative option. Might not be the easiest way, but it seems to work. That was a time consuming lesson learned.

Thank you to all who pitched in.

Edited December 2, 2012 by sheherezade

[ReMark]

You could have far more easily opened the annotative block using the BEDIT command then open Properties and where it says Annotative changed it to 'No'. It's in the Block section of Properties. Save and close. Done.