Annotation Rotations. Can they be different?

[SMP]

Is there a setting somewhere in the Block Authoring Palette or within a blocks properties that would allow for the same blocks different annotations to have different rotations from each other ?

 

I am using Civil2014

 

Thanks.

[Dana W]

I am guessing that simple dynamic blocks work the same in C3D as in vanilla Autocad.

 

Simply assign separate rotation parameter and actions to each annotation. Once the block is inserted and selected, A rotation handle will be seen for each rotation action.

 

I recommend justifying the text MIDDLE CENTER, and using that center node of the text as the rotation base point. Any other justification/basepoint may cause the text to orbit around, rather than rotate around its justification/insertion point, in a peculiar manner.

 

See attached dwg.

 

Hmmm, your profile says 2012, and I missed the 2014 reference, so the dwg is saved in 2010.

Three Rotations.dwg

[SMP]

Great block!

 

I think i didn't communicate what i was saying clearly.

 

What i need to know is that if i have a one block, and say it has an annotation for 1:5000, 1:2000, 1:1000, 1:500.... All the same block.

 

Can each one of those annotations be made to rotate independently from the rest of them.

 

Currently the blocks i have can have many different scaled annotations but when i rotate say, the 1:500 annotation, all the others rotate along with it?

 

Does that come across a bit more clearly? Maybe? Sorry for any confusion.

[Dana W]

Great block!

 

I think i didn't communicate what i was saying clearly.

 

What i need to know is that if i have a one block, and say it has an annotation for 1:5000, 1:2000, 1:1000, 1:500.... All the same block.

 

Can each one of those annotations be made to rotate independently from the rest of them.

 

Currently the blocks i have can have many different scaled annotations but when i rotate say, the 1:500 annotation, all the others rotate along with it?

 

Does that come across a bit more clearly? Maybe? Sorry for any confusion.

OK, I think i get it now. I did misunderstand you, but just to be sure we are on the same page, can you post a dwg of the block in question?

 

I know you can move the same annotative text in one viewport scale, and it will not move in the other differently scaled viewports. I do that all the time, because the text seems too far away from the object labeled at smaller scales, but they are not in blocks, usually multileaders.

 

What would make me think the rotation may be doable, is that I have annotative text door size callouts on all of my doors in a floor plan which is in a 1/4" = 1'-0" scaled viewport. I found it necessary to display part of the floor plan in another viewport at 3/4" = 1'-0". I also saw that it would work better if I changed the door opening angle to 90 deg instead of 45 deg, so I clicked into the viewport and changed the door angle, and rotated and relocated the door callout. These door callouts are simple text, no blocks or multileaders involved.

 

I then went back to the 1/4" = 1'-0" viewport to clean up what I had done if needed, and discovered that the door callout had neither rotated nor moved in the 1/4" = 1'-0" view.

 

Now sticking the text in a block makes the text not available for direct manipulation by itself. I wonder if making the entire block annotative will allow the rotation actions to work independently depending on which annotative scale is current. I'll have to try it, but not tonight. It's getting late here.

[RobDraw]

Rotation, along with other settings can be assigned to individual attributes in the Enhanced Attribute Editor. Double click the block to access it.

[SMP]

I know you can move the same annotative text in one viewport scale, and it will not move in the other differently scaled viewports.

 

This ^^^ That is exactly how i want my blocks to operate. I will add a dwg with a sample.

annoblock.dwg

[RobDraw]

That will only work, if the viewports are different scales. You can "trick" AutoCAD into thinking they are different by giving the same scale value different names.

[SMP]

That will only work, if the viewports are different scales.

 

I get that. Maybe i'll get a different drawing together to show you what i am meaning to do.

 

My view ports would all be different scales. Which is why that block has different scale values for different annotations?

 

Most of the time in what i do i have many different view ports of varying details requiring different scales. I don't want to have multiple instances of the same block as that affects our accuracy when it comes to plan checking.

 

I want ~one block~ , that can have as many annotations as i want but i want those annotations to be able to rotate independently from one another.

 

While you are correct, and in theory there is nothing really wrong with "tricking autocad", what is happening and really affecting us negatively is when a project manager requests a change sometimes some of those blocks we use to trick autocad gets missed becasue some of here assume that other understand how annotative blocks can work for us. In the end a plan can go out with little errors all over it.

 

So the end game is to make our changes to one block and have it good. To create copies, rename scales of existing scales and stuff is sort of counter intuitive in regards to having the annotative abilities within blocks.

[RobDraw]

I'm starting to see the picture now that I opened your block. I misunderstood before. What got me is when you said it was different annotations in the same block. What you really mean is the different displays of the annotation scales for the same piece of text. I'm not sure that's going to be possible.