Viewports will not display multileader truetype fonts (only SHX)

[ammobake]

I have a project I'm working on for a client that is throwing me in circles.

 

The problem is specific to the viewports in about a dozen different cad drawings.

 

The multileader truetype fonts show up fine in model space and paper space throughout.

 

The text is definately there and on a viewable layer. If you choose any SHX text style the multileader text magically appears in the viewport. No Truetype font is shown.

 

This is definately not a layering however issue because the entire multileader is on the same layer. If the layer was disabled the entire object would be disabled in the viewport - but it isn't.

 

If I paste the multileader into a blank DWG file, the truetype text shows up just fine.

 

Has anyone come across this before?

 

The only thing I can think of is maybe a background setting is at 0 instead of 1 making truetype fonts disabled in the viewport? But why would they do that it makes no sense..

 

I should also note...

If I turn all layers on, unfrozen, etc.. The problem persists in the viewport.

[Dana W]

Is the text style or multileader style that disappears annotative? If so, it may not have the annotative scale of that viewport assigned to it.

[ammobake]

The multileaders are annotative and scaled 1" = 80'.

 

The viewport scale is 1" = 80'.

 

These, in theory, should be set up fine.

 

the layer of the multileader is on.

 

If I double click the (blank) text box I can highlight the missing text. changing text style to any shx font causes the text to show up immediately.

 

Changing the text style back to truetype causes it to disappear. You can still click/select the blank text portion of the multileader.

 

My hunch is something viewport related.

 

If I make a new viewport the text shows up fine. If I use "matchprop" and change the new viewport properties to match the problematic one, all the text disappears.

This tells me it is something viewport related but it isn't obvious what.

 

Whatever it is, it is a consistent problem throughout my client's existing drawings.

 

I'm currently trying to make redlines to each of these cad files so figuring this out will save me alot of work.

 

These multileaders have text and other callouts that interfere if I use anything other than the original ARIAL style font.

I'm going to create a new viewport, then match the layering config manually (instead of using matchprop command) and I'll let you know what I find out.

 

-Chris

[ammobake]

so if I make a new rectangular viewport at the same scale with the same viewport settings everything shows up properly.

 

The viewports in some of the drawings are clipped/polygonal. But as soon as I clip any viewport the multileader text disappears from the viewport.

 

if I zoom out in paperspace I can see white where the text should be. But when I zoom in the text disappears again.

 

As long as the viewport is rectangular the text appears to be unaffected. The viewport doesn't care about size/scale etc..

 

But if I use a polygonal viewport or convert a polyline to a viewport the truetext font disappears.

 

I have never seen this before....

[ammobake]

I am currently having a very similar issue in a recent thread I have going.

 

If I make a rectangular viewport I can see the truetype fonts.

 

I'm working on a gov project where all the drawings don't show truetype fonts. Only SHX will show up.

If I create a new DWG file and paste the problem multileader the ARIAL text shows up fine.

 

I've done alot of experimenting on this.

 

The truetype multileader fonts show up fine in modelspace and paperspace - in fact they're used throughout.

 

The only place the truetype fonts don't show up on my multileaders is in the viewports.

 

More Oddities about this issue I've discovered....

 

Let's say I have a working rectangular viewport and a clipped viewport with the text not showing up.

If I use "MATCHPROP" command and apply the properties of the problematic VP to the working one, nothing happens. The text in the working VP remains unaffected.

 

If I go the other way around and change the problematic VP to the settings in the working VP, nothing happens. The truetype text in my multileaders remain missing.

 

This rules out a viewport related cause.

If both viewports have the same settings but only one is displaying truetype fonts - you would immediately think layering issue but that is also not the case. matchprop command applies all settings from the original (working) viewport - including layering scheme. But it doesn't have any affect.

 

My multileaders show up throughout except for the text (and all multileader text is obviously on the same layer).

 

Creating polygonal viewports or converting polylines to viewports immediately results in the truetype fonts disappearring from the viewport.

 

If you create a new rectangular viewport on the same sheet the multileader text works great throughout.

 

If this has a simple cause it is not obvious.

 

Also - I should note that I am working on a project where i recieved multiple DWG files from a client. None of the existing cad files have viewports that show truetype fonts.... It appears every viewport has the multileader text missing.

 

If I use SHX type fonts the text works fine but it interferes with other text and callouts because of the size difference.

The text in all the original drawings is ARIAL and I want my new drawings (with changes) to match that. But it may not be possible if this can't be figured out and that means extra time and work.

 

You'd think it would be as simple as making changes to existing drawings. If only...

 

-ChriS

[Dana W]

So far, I am as clueless as.......

[Dana W]

Here are some factors that can affect the display of TT fonts.

 

Is the font color (index number) higher than 255?

Is the Display Plotstyle checked?

Is the Display Plotstyle box checked the same on all layouts?

Are you using CTB or STB plotstyles?

Is the plotstyle the same for all layouts?

Is the Show Text Frame Only box checked in the text or dimension style editor?

[nestly]

I don't use TT fonts any longer because there's so many pitfalls when using them in a 3D environment, so my suggestions would be mostly along those lines. Check the Current drawing Elevation, MLeader elevation, VP elevation, Visual Style, etc. I don't have 2010, but I mostly use 2011 and would be happy to have a look at a sample drawing if you can upload one that's exhibiting the odd mleader behavior.

[ammobake]

See attached DWG.

 

I was able to recreate a very simple representation of this at the same scale as my drawings (1" = 80').

 

For privacy reasons I've changed the mleaders to show X's only.

 

In this example drawing, the viewport at left is a simple rectangular viewport

The mleader text shows up fine.

 

The viewport at right has the same settings as the ones in my drawing and it is clipped. All truetext fonts do not appear.

MLEADER ISSUE.dwg

[ammobake]

For purposes of finishing up this particular client's project a decent workaround that was pretty easy was this...

 

I created a new text style using SHX font (RomanD) and I used width factor .68 to generally match the width of the existing arial callouts. This eliminated alot of little manual realignment related work and the text was able to be universal to all multileaders in model space at once - which fixes this issues throughout all drawings in the set.

 

There was a couple little alignment issues here and there but it took only a minute or two per drawing.

 

I'm still open to ideas on what the issue may be. If it can be fixed it may eliminate the need for others to do this extra work.

 

But I've personally been doing this for 10 years and I've not seen an issue with the text disappearing like this.

[SLW210]

I see you have another thread on this, please do not bring up old threads for a topic you all ready have a thread for.

 

I moved the posts here.

 

Have you looked into this being an annotation scale problem?

 

With out seeing the file or an example it is hard to say.

Edited April 6, 2015 by SLW210

[Dana W]

I downloaded the drawing, and I can find nothing wrong. All 11 multileaders, complete with text are showing up in both viewports.

 

I even tested the effects of converting a CTB to an STB plotstyle, put it in the layout, and changed the drawing to be STB plot driven. No changes were seen.

 

The only weirdness that I can find is that there were several layers frozen in only the right-hand viewport; $$-VWPT, LAYER 0, and G-ANNO-NPLT. These are the same layers marked No Plot. None of the text is on those three layers.

 

However, when I went back to double check the spelling of one of those layers, they were no longer frozen, at all, period. Much less only frozen in one viewport. I did not change any layer status. Yes, I did check the layer status both times with the right viewport active.

 

My diagnosis is, "Haunted". >>>>insert shrug smilie here

 

I ran Audit, and it did detect a database error: I changed the layer the left hand viewport was on from zero to $$-VWPT. Apparently there was a lag in recording the change. Audit yelled at me because internally the viewport was still on zero, and visually it was on $$-VWPT. Audit then fixed the anomaly. EDIT: This is apparently normal for a change between saves. I forced it again to confirm.

 

By the way, about your avatar... The B-1B (Da Bone). Barely sub-sonic BIG machine, at 500 feet, letting a robot watch for hills... That must be one heck of a way to stay awake.

Edited April 7, 2015 by Dana W

[ammobake]

I should mention that I'm using black background (model space and paper space).

I've never seen that be an issue before but I didn't think to test the callouts with white background until now.

 

I was able to complete this project but I ended up using roman D SHX text with width factor to be close to what Arial would be. That avoided interferences with other notes/callouts.

 

ARIAL text works fine in paperspace and modelspace. But specifically looking at the drawing through a clipped viewport causes the text to "disappear" for me.

 

a simple rectangular viewport causes the text to appear just fine.

If I clip the viewport or modify it in any way the truetype font "ghosts" basically and does not appear even though it is still there.

 

When I zoom in and out I can occasionally see white where the text would be but only for an instant- if that makes sense.

 

The red leader portion of the multileaders are unaffected. Only the white text is problematic.

 

I can still edit the text in the multileader but it just isn't shown.

 

I did experiment with different font colors but that didn't affect anything. truetype fonts still did not appear in the viewport.

[RobDraw]

Do they print?