xref title block into paper space of another drawing problems

[kizaerf]

I made an 18x24 title block for an architectural drawing in paper space, and I am trying to x ref it into the paper spaxeanother drawing. everything looks normal before I attach it but when I zoom extents, all I see is a black screen like I am in model space despite the fact that it's in paper space. please help (autocad arch 2012)

[rkent]

You can't xref objects in PS, move the objects to MS and try again.

 

To be clear, you can't xref objects located in PS into another drawing. Only objects located in MS can be xrefed into another drawing, and those MS objects can, of course, be xrefed into PS or MS.

Edited June 2, 2015 by rkent
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[Ski_Me]

make a block out of your title block. I know people do that a lot of the time. Then you could insert it right on to your layout in paperspace. It wont act like a x-ref if you make changes to the original but you can always delete and insert it again.

[Dana W]

You can't xref objects in PS, move the objects to MS and try again.

:oIt works in paperspace. I have dozens of drawings with xref titleblocks in paperspace.

 

Here's one. Save them all to the same folder and update the xref paths. It's not the best template on Earth, but then it ain't mine anyway. Feel free to use any bits that work.

GENERIC.dwg

GENERIC TITLEBLOCK.dwg

FINISHES.dwg

[Dana W]

I made an 18x24 title block for an architectural drawing in paper space, and I am trying to x ref it into the paper spaxeanother drawing. everything looks normal before I attach it but when I zoom extents, all I see is a black screen like I am in model space despite the fact that it's in paper space. please help (autocad arch 2012)

I might guess that you have inserted a title block drawn in imperial measurement, with 1" as the unit, and xrefed it into a metric drawing with paperspace units set to millimeters. Thus you are looking at a title block/border that is 18mm x 24mm, quite tiny in proportion to your paper size I bet. The black area is your paper that is a few hundred millimeters bigger in both directions, than your title block/border. Zoom Extents gave you the extents of the teeny weeny title block/border.

 

Scale up the title block by a factor of 25.4, 1" = 25.4mm.

[RobDraw]

rkent is right. Your XREF files are in model space, Dana. I can say that without even looking. I'm also willing to bet that the OP's XREF titleblock is in paper space.

[Dana W]

rkent is right. Your XREF files are in model space, Dana. I can say that without even looking. I'm also willing to bet that the OP's XREF titleblock is in paper space.

I will have to look, but I don't know how they are in modelspace when I can select them in paperspace. I must be missing something. Like I said, the template is not mine. If I find that I am wrong, I'll bring beer.

[Dana W]

So what do I look at to find out what space this xref is in. It sure behaves as though it is in paperspace. I can select it and move it around, etc. When I break the link, I get a little tag where it should be, you know the ones that are too small to read, right next to the insertion point.

 

I know, I will try and xref another one in right next to it. I'll let you know how it works.

[Dana W]

I'm also willing to bet that the OP's XREF titleblock is in paper space.

But that's not supposed to work. I don't know what space I am in. I just inserted this guy in Paperspace on layout tab 00CS. Are you gonna tell Spock that he doesn't know what space he's in?

[Dipali]

No, what he means is tilte block in original drawing should be in model space, then only you can xref it in other drawings. It can be xrefed in paper space or model space depending on the requirement.

The object in paper space can not be xrefed in other files, so the op's original tilte block is drawn in paper space and that is the reason he can't see itin other drawing where he is trying to insert it as xref.

[Dana W]

You can't xref objects in PS, move the objects to MS and try again.

 

No, what he means is tilte block in original drawing should be in model space, then only you can xref it in other drawings. It can be xrefed in paper space or model space depending on the requirement.

The object in paper space can not be xrefed in other files, so the op's original tilte block is drawn in paper space and that is the reason he can't see itin other drawing where he is trying to insert it as xref.

Well, of course, I knew that. After I had sat down to watch the 11:00 news, I realized what rkent meant after all. I originally misinterpreted rkent's post.

 

Literally translated from English to English: One cannot take objects from paperspace, and attach them to another drawing as a cross reference. This facility does not exist in AutoCad. However, one can cross reference modelspace objects in one drawing, into either model or paperspace in another drawing.

 

Now you must excuse me. In 90 minutes I must report for work to a job I literally hate with every bone in my body. I have been with this company since the 23rd of March, 2015. I am working for a guy who doesn't know the difference between a cross reference and hot cross buns, who is trying to convert me from a draftsman to an estimator even though I signed on as a draftsman, and who thinks cartoon elevations from 2020 Kitchen Design and a hand written cut list is good enough for a professional cabinet shop.

 

Anyone in Central Florida need a good draftsman who knows what professional general contractors expect to see in submitted millwork shop drawings, and has many items installed per my drawings ,all over the country in large hotel resorts, Disney World, Universal Studios Orlando, etc.?

 

I'm sorry, I am feeling particularly dismayed at my employment situation this morning, and had to vent.

[Ski_Me]

Dana I will be in Orlando next week. Meet me at Universal Studios and I will take you back with to Oklahoma, the land of Milk and Honey and Tornados which is better than a hurricane cause you can run from a tornado. We have lots of contractors here that are smart and do good work you could be a Okie what fun that would be.

[Dana W]

Dana I will be in Orlando next week. Meet me at Universal Studios and I will take you back with to Oklahoma, the land of Milk and Honey and Tornados which is better than a hurricane cause you can run from a tornado. We have lots of contractors here that are smart and do good work you could be a Okie what fun that would be.

I appreciate the offer greatly, but I need an ocean within a few miles of me at all times. I love and live for the ocean, and the beach, and they are only 22 miles away from here. As far as I know, Oklahoma has not been able to install an ocean yet.

 

I am sort of an Okie type in some ways, southern Virginia grown on corn, string beans, biscuits, fried chicken, and taters, and lived in a house with an outhouse, and cows next door for a while as a kid.

 

You can run from hurricanes too, if you pay attention to the people in the know. The people that don't leave the target zone when a hurricane is coming are the ones that have never experienced one before, and have never had the weather do anything nasty to them before, They either have no idea what a hurricane is like, or are simply not physically able to leave.

 

I've endured 10 hours of 100+ wind and rain before, and watched 400 year old elm trees topple over like spaghetti. I know what it's like, and will never do it again.

 

When I was 7 years old, in 1954, we lived in Washington D.C. when Hurricane Hazel came straight north, just west of the Chesapeake Bay dead into D.C. After rolling into The Carolinas as a category 4 with 140 mph winds. In those days they could only give about 8 hours warning as to exactly where the storms would go, and she was still a 2+ when she got to D.C. Hazel broke all kinds of records because she didn't lose a lot of energy over land. The unofficial peak wind speed in D.C. was over 100 mph, and she made it all the way to Canada as a Hurricane.

 

We lived on the top floor of an old 4 story brownstone row house. As the wind picked up, everyone in the building went down to the basement apartment to wait it out. the adults intended to smoke and drink some Schlitz and Black Label while playing Canasta until the storm was over.

 

We could hear the building creaking and moaning for hours. You could feel the walls vibrating from the wind, and then after about 7 hours it suddenly stopped. The eye was passing over. We went outside to look around, but we couldn't get very far. A lot of the huge old elm trees that used to line both sides of the street were all broken up and laying all around as far as I could see. Only about half of them were still standing. They used to make a tunnel all the way from our house to Stanton Park, six blocks away. I remember the air outside smelling like the hot air that would come out of the back of the old glass tube radios everybody had back then, like ozone I know now.

 

About an hour after we went back inside, the other side of the eye hit like a freight train. The front door blew open, and right away the back door blew off the hinges outward against the stop into the airway between the row houses. I remember my Dad saying "That door doesn't open that way." I remember all the cards, napkins, ash trays, and paper cups and even a folding metal card table blowing into the kitchen at the back of the apartment, a shotgun flat as they call them, and out through the back door. All the moms were screaming and grabbing each other. It was a mess. Then, a huge tree limb poked part of the way into the back door. A couple of the dads were able to push the front door closed, then they closed the door to the kitchen and pushed a huge china cabinet in front of it. Funny thing is, the power never went out for more than a few minutes at time.

 

The next morning, I got to go out back and look up at the tree limb hanging through the kitchen door. It was broken but still attached to its tree. We then went out front. One of the largest trees on the street was right in front of our house. We had brick sidewalks back then and I remember how the bricks used to wave way up and over its roots. Not any more. The bricks had been rolled up and dumped through the cast iron picket fence into our front yard. The granite curbstones and half the width of the street paving had been ripped up over my head and were still on top of the giant tree's rootball. The tree was merely leaning on the house. I remember my dad saying the gutter pipe it was leaning against wasn't even bent. Remember, the house was 4 stories, and this tree had a limb that was reaching all the way from the front of the house to below ground level into a basement stairway behind the house. In a couple of days, the clean-up crew brought in a big crane and chained the trees to it so they could cut them up without dropping any tree parts on the houses. The more they cut off the top of our tree, the more it settled away from the house, back into its hole in the ground. It did leave a bend in the gutter along the eaves, but not much.

 

Later on, I learned that the elm trees were all dying from Dutch Elm Disease since the 1920's, and were weakened. It would not have mattered much anyway, Hazel was clocked officially at the Naval Observatory in D.C. with sustained winds of 63 mph and frequent gusts up to 92 mph.

 

Statistically, Wilmington N. C. is way more likely to get hit by a hurricane than most of Florida. Hazel destroyed almost that entire city in one day, and she was not the first or the last hurricane to do so. She struck Wilmington at exactly high tide with the full Moon about to rise, with 140 mph winds at the worst possible time. I read somewhere the storm surge was 20 feet above sea level at its worst.

 

Oh, that is too much writing. I am going to settlement tomorrow at 3:30 pm on a house we just bought down here. We'll be moving over the week-end. I intend to be a permanent Florida resident, but I am not going to sit here and wait one out. We have evacuation plans for going either north or south, whichever is best, and safe places to stay at least 100 miles out of the line of fire in either direction. When, not if, one hits here again, we'll see how good the post hurricane Andrew building codes are.

[Dana W]

Dana I will be in Orlando next week. Meet me at Universal Studios...

While you are at Universal, take a look at the clock in the Kings Cross Station tower. I did the AutoCad shop drawings for the face, hands, numerals and frame from an artists sketch. It looks much larger because of forced perspective, but it's only 5 feet in diameter. I had to do each numeral separately, sketch-like to be laser cut from 1/4" aluminum plate, and then hand hammered and artificially aged to look like old cast metal. I have a bunch of other stuff all over Universal and Disney.

[Dadgad]

Great story Dana, congratulations and good luck with your new house.

[Dana W]

Great story Dana, congratulations and good luck with your new house.

Thanks, I am going to need it. We bought this place on a VA loan, with no down payment and a shoe string budget. My agent gave me a huge commision discount and a 5 grand contribution towards settlement from a Veteran's Advocacy group. Awesome. I'm signing up for a monthly contribution to the group now to pay it forward. There are more old soldiers out there that are finding it hard to make a comeback from the disastrous economy since 2007.

[Ski_Me]

Good story Dana it's good to know someone who can understand what mother nature can do when she's pissed. We've had more storms and severe weather this May than any other in our state history. I can understand about living by the ocean. I was in Okinawa for 2 years and the beach was 200 yards from my barracks. I do miss it sometimes. I will check out the station tower like you said maybe post a pic. We are considering buying a new house on a VA loan as well if you have any tips for me let me know.

[Dana W]

Good story Dana it's good to know someone who can understand what mother nature can do when she's pissed. We've had more storms and severe weather this May than any other in our state history. I can understand about living by the ocean. I was in Okinawa for 2 years and the beach was 200 yards from my barracks. I do miss it sometimes. I will check out the station tower like you said maybe post a pic. We are considering buying a new house on a VA loan as well if you have any tips for me let me know.

You need to get a Home inspector, and the VA Appraiser out there as soon after you sign a contract as you can get the mortgage company to OK it. The lender & title company have more to do with the scheduling of those people but keep them on their toes. They will cost you a few hundred each, up front. Have your DD-214 in hand, you will need several copies of it. Look for a real estate agent & lender who works with an organization called Homes For Heroes or somebody like them, not that I am a hero but I couldn't stop them from helping out. You will need to get a Pre-Approval letter from your lender before starting to look for a house. There's a lot more. Be prepared to conduct almost the entire application process on line. I must have E-signed and initialed 75 or more documents through secure internet sights and encrypted email transactions. Have a good scanner on hand that will output pdf format to file.

 

That's not all of it, but I have no time right now. Work Looms over me.

 

The clock is really no big deal, it's just the most public installation of a project I had something to do with.