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Hi Again all I am working with a PC that is meant for 2d drafting, they say its good enough for 12D however.... I am drawing pipework in 3d and plotting them out 2d on the paperspace. the model xrefs were in the same folder as the drawings, however when i moved the xref files to the xref folder, then remapped the paths to the drawing, the models were only viewable in 2d wireframe. when i did any other shade type they dissapeared. i ended up binding the xrefs and exploding them to blocks, and now they appear and plot shaded. could this be a graphics card issue? I have some work coming up to do some pretty impressive industrial 3D mining cyclones and chutes, i dont want to leave a bad impression due to PC hassles. my specs are as follows OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation Activation Status Activation Pending (30 days remaining) System Name XXXXXXXXXXXX System Manufacturer Dell Inc. System Model Precision WorkStation T3400 System Type X86-based PC Processor x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11 GenuineIntel ~2392 Mhz BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. A05, 9/05/2008 SMBIOS Version 2.5 Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 Locale United States Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)" User Name XXXXXXXXXXXXX Time Zone AUS Eastern Standard Time Total Physical Memory 4,096.00 MB Available Physical Memory 1.17 GB Total Virtual Memory 2.93 GB Available Virtual Memory 2.89 GB Page File Space 5.87 GB graphics card is Name NVIDIA Quadro FX 1700