scaling to engineers scale

[m_freeman]

this is how I do my site plans--I have a .dwg file set for 1/4" = 1'-0" I do ALL my drawing and plotting in this one .dwg file. Most of my site plans are smaller and when I need to scale them to engineers scale I simply use scale command select the site plan then scale X.4 this brings me to 1"= 10'-0" in engineers scale if I need a smaller scale 1"=20'-0" I simply scale again at .5 and on down the line. Well, I have a 27 acre site plan I need to get on size E1 sheet so I scale to .4 then .5 then .5 this gets me to 1"= 40'-0"

80' is not on the engineers scale but 60' is so what is my scale factor to get to 1"=60'-0" .4 then .5 then .5 then .75?

[Tiger]

ow ow ow - you never ever scale what you draw! You draw everything in 1:1, keep it at 1:1 and put the scale required on the Viewport in the Layout.

 

As to what scale you need - you lost me there, I am a metric kind of gal.

[m_freeman]

ow ow ow - you never ever scale what you draw! You draw everything in 1:1, keep it at 1:1 and put the scale required on the Viewport in the Layout.

 

As to what scale you need - you lost me there, I am a metric kind of gal.

no no no I have a .dwg file set to 1/4" = 1'-0" so when I draw and plot it is already scaled for me. I can send the pdf anywhere and it will print to scale.In my Arch drafting practice I rarely need any other scales than 1/4" =1'-0" or 1"=10'-0" or factor of. I simply use the scale command in model space, and plot from model space, my archD size border is in model space I draw within the border, extremely fast and efficient. Problem now is getting to 1"=60'-0" first time in 8 years I have had a challenge with this method.

[m_freeman]

ow ow ow - you never ever scale what you draw! You draw everything in 1:1, keep it at 1:1 and put the scale required on the Viewport in the Layout.

 

As to what scale you need - you lost me there, I am a metric kind of gal.

I don't even waste the time on viewports or layouts.

[Tiger]

I don't even waste the time on viewports or layouts.

 

Each to his own as far as I am concerned, but don't be surprised if plenty of people here disagree with you

[Tiger]

my guess is not 2/3 (~0.66) instead of 0.75 btw - but don't quote me on that.

[m_freeman]

I figured it out, use scale reference command scale the drawing (60'line) to a 1" line --well my simple methods have been earning me six figures a year for quite a while, my CDs rarely get more than 5-6 pages so I find it much faster to do it all in model space, I can zoom, change scales, anything I want with a few tools. I can see using the layouts if you are going to have more sheets than what I do. Don't forget Walter Gropius couldn't even hold a pencil.

[Tiger]

Never said using only Model Space was simple - for me Layouts are far more simple since I don't have to do any sort of scale calculations. So kudos to you for getting the scales right, I know I wouldn't.

[m_freeman]

Never said using only Model Space was simple - for me Layouts are far more simple since I don't have to do any sort of scale calculations. So kudos to you for getting the scales right, I know I wouldn't.

I usually only have to adjust scale for one sheet the site plan and that is simply scale command select the drawing x.4 done, drop it into the border type notes then plot. I have a library of over 1000 of the most common details used here in CA. I keep about 20 of the most common used details right in the drawing file I don't have to waste the time to insert them or scale them (already done) drag into the border reference and done. Got all my notes typed up simply drag them inside a border. Rarely, I may make a 1/2" scale section, then all I do is scale command x2. I even have all my notes set up for single line text so if I need to edit, I simply double clik on text edit done.

The place I do lose time vs layouts is when I plot, I have to save each sheet individually but after I plot them I delete them to save space and just keep the one master file. So I do lose the time it takes to save 5-6 times. But then again, my projects rarely get over 6 sheets. If I get real serious I can do a 400 sq. ft. room addition set of CD's after measure up in one day meeting CA building code, including Title24 package D.

[eldon]

It would probably help your calculations if you expanded the scale of ¼" =1' to read 1 : 48, then your other scale of 1" to 60' would be 1 : 720. Now the calculations are much easier to see.

 

I am heartened that others plot from Model Space. I have been doing it for 20 years, and never felt the need for Paper Space, despite the howls from others.

[Tiger]

Like I said, each to his own

[eldon]

Like I said, each to his own

 

Exactly.

 

So please Paper Spacers leave us Model Spacers to our own devices without any comments - unless you can identify a really lost soul

[ReMark]

A really lost soul is one who cannot figure out what "scale" to use after all this.

 

I began my CAD career when drawing just as the OP has done was THE recommended procedure. Even after paper space was introduced I stuck with the "old" method for another couple of years until I ran into the exact same problem the OP outlined here. It was then I realized it was time to adopt a "new" way of doing things and I made the jump to layouts and paper space. It certainly is far easier to draw at full scale and use a layout with a scaled viewport to achieve the desired result. In the time the OP has used asking and debating his question here he could have applied 100 different scales to 100 different viewports of the same drawing.

[JD Mather]

Like I said, each to his own

 

No, you are encouraging them to do it all wrong.

The real world is 1:1 therefore model 1:1.

 

The paper size is what it is (hasn't changed from pre-printed border sheets on the drawing board - still 1:1).

 

So the model is true size in model space, the border is true size in paperspace.

 

We look at the model through a viewport window layout at approrpiate scale.

 

Only one correct way.

[Tiger]

No, you are encouraging them to do it all wrong.

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Ony one correct way.

 

With all do respect JD, there are more ways to do things that the way you do it - even if you will never accept it. I don't see why I should argue for people to do things my way just because - especially when I am not directly affected.

[eldon]

We look at the model through a viewport window layout at approrpiate scale.

 

Only one correct way.

 

I am afraid that comes over as a bit sanctimonious to me. You seem unable to look outside the box, exactly like a viewport window.

 

There are things happening outside, not only within the claustrophobic confines of a viewport window.

[Coosbaylumber]

I don't even waste the time on viewports or layouts.

 

 

I am just as confused here too. Why not go to P-S, import and be done with it all? Been using that method since late 1980's and it still seems to work OK.

 

Measure off and alter everything 1:1 in M-S and it shows up good and done in P-S then. Do not even have to look then.

 

 

Wm.