Drawing everything in Paper Space?

[bjenk8100]

model space rocks

 

i like using 2' fonts when drawing 1/8"-1' scale lol

 

i tell people i use two foot fonts sometimes and they are lost

[ReMark]

"...adding a range of scales to them."

 

I like that statement. A week from now when you have xreffed in another 15 drawings that scale list is going to look like a Macy's day balloon of Charlie Brown. LOL

 

Want to know the number of text and dimensions scales I need? ONE.

 

But, I do admit, after having experimented with Annotative Scaling that it does have some worthwhile uses so I would never say that the method I use is THE method everyone should use. Different strokes for different folks. Peace out.

[Wilbri]

Folks

Many thanks to all of you for your interesting and informatine contributions.

uhcafigdc

I hope that the rellies have been of value to you as well?

 

Remark.

Yes we have covered most of this material earlier in the year by means of e-mail, and I thank you for your input which together with the other comments added by ther forum members, has assisted me in ironing out some areas that I was not entirely clear on.

[ReMark]

Wilbri:

 

You're entirely welcomed. Should you have any other questions feel free to post them here or contact me by email.

 

Regards...

 

ReMark

[Wilbri]

Remark

 

Many thanks for your offer.

I must admit that I thourourly enjoy making use of this forum as I am aslways certain of obtaining the information that I seek.

 

I must admit that I remain unclear on the topic of creating and using multiple viewports in paper space.

But will research this subject in more detail by perusing past threads on this subject to ensure that I set my questions correctly.

[ReMark]

Any number of viewports can be created in a layout up to the max of 64 I believe. There is a setting that overrides the default setting.

 

Viewports, as you may have figured out by now, can be resized using their grips.

 

Viewports can be moved about and even copied.

 

The contents of viewports can be rotated.

 

Different viewports can have different scales.

 

Display Locking of a viewport is recommended so the viewport scale is not accidentally changed by zooming in and out while working within a viewport.

 

Viewports should be placed on their own layer and set not to print.

 

Those of just some of the basics of viewports.

[Wilbri]

Thanks Remark

 

Yes I have learnt something new already, namely that "Viewports should be placed on their own layer" and set not to print, although i am not too sure what you mean regarding printing?

Do you mean that the viewport CAN be set to or not to print?

I believe that my major concern regards enlarged details.

From past discussion I can recall that the drawing is completed in model mode at a scale of 1:1 which I do, and then opened in paper space which I can achieve.

The concern comes as to when and how one creates the selected number of viewports and then although I am aware how to create the viewport active and select the view or detail to be shown in the viewport, I am not sure how one enlarges separate details and sets dedicated scales to provide corrected (scaled up) dimensions within the viewport.

I believe that I should commence by creating a simple drawing and proceeding to paper space after which I will be able to experiment/learn the basic concepts.

It has long been my intention to try using polylines where appropriate but like my intensions to become familiar with drawing in 3-D (which I realize is a must), I somehow never get around to it as all my drawing assignments have been urgent and i have therefore been reluctant to experiment due to the time limets.

Again I believe that i need to utilize some spare time and really concentrate on 3-D as it wil save me so much time in the long run.

[ReMark]

"Set not to print". Yes, that is exactly what I mean. The viewport, although visible on-screen, will not show up in your printed output. In the Layer Properties Manager is a column labeled Plot. It has a little printer icon in it. The default setting is set to plot. Click once on it and it resets as no plot. Any layer can be set to plot or not plot from within the LPM if so desired.

[ReMark]

When and how to create viewports.

 

The when is relatively easy. WHEN you NEED them. I don't bother creating any viewports or even going into my layout until I feel 99.9% of my model space work is complete.

 

The how to create a viewport can be handled a couple of ways. My method is as follows. Other users may do it differently. My way may not be the best way but we all have our bad habits, right? LOL

 

- I switch to my layout.

 

- I click on Page Setup Manager and take care of setting up my printer/plotter, sheet size, and plot style.

 

Note: I have the Viewports toolbar available and docked in my 3D modeling workspace so it is readily available at all times.

 

- If AutoCAD has already been kind enough (by default) to include at least one viewport when I enter a layout for the first time I double-click inside it, change my scale to something I either know or think is appropriate for what I've drawn in model space (via the Viewports toolbar) then execute a Zoom > All. I now stop and think about what I want to accomplish next.

 

- I may jump back into paper space (that's why we're in a layout in the first place) and resize the viewport using its grips.

 

Are you with me so far?

[ReMark]

Re: moving to 3D.

 

You will find that you'll still draw plenty of 2D geometry as the basis for your 3D objects. The beauty of 3D is that you do not have to draw all the different views: top, front, right-side or left-side, bottom, section, and/or isometric. All of these can be extracted from your 3D object by various means.

[Wilbri]

Thanks again Remark

 

Yes I follow you 100%, but need to put this into practice in order ro become familiar and comfortable with paper space.

Plan to do something about it over the weekend and will refer back to you should I experienc any problems.

 

I still have the process plant 3-D drawing that you forwarded me earlier this year to refer to, and yes I understand the benefits of using 3-D.

I have just completed three totally diferent design/detail assignments in 2-D, namely a factory mezzanine floor extension,

a 30 cubic metre hot water tank to ASME VIII PV code and a Pan Mixer, and yes I can certainly understand the benefits I would have derived should I 1) Made use of PLINES and 2) Drawn in 3-D.

[ReMark]

There's more ground to cover but I don't want to overburden you. Let me know when you are ready to continue.

 

Maybe I'll look through some of the drawings we were assigned when I took my first 3D AutoCAD class. You can use one of the drawings for your first foray into 3D.

[Wilbri]

Thanks ReMark

 

Yes a simple 3D excercise would be welcome.

I am concerned that we have deviated from the original thread subject.

Should I start a new thread with my next reply

[ReMark]

Thanks ReMark

 

Yes a simple 3D excercise would be welcome.

I am concerned that we have deviated from the original thread subject.

Should I start a new thread with my next reply

 

That sounds like a good idea Wilbri. Talk to you soon.

 

ReMark

[marmo]

Wilbri Good idea!

 

I am available for any advice!

 

Marmo

[Wilbri]

ReMark and Marmo and others following this thread.

 

Firstly, thank you for your kind offer to assist marmo.

As previously mentioned I believe the present subject differs from the original topic, so I will start a new topic under General titled "Assistance with 3D drafting", and look forward to your input.

[bjenk8100]

after i draw all my details which usually range from floor/roof plan in 1/8"-1', details at 3 or 6" to one foot i go into paper space and just type command "viewports" whola!

[Jack_O'neill]

I've been away from the forums for a while and just found this topic. Just thought I'd throw in a story about a place I worked for several years ago. They drew everything on the layout tabs (paperspace). Drawing might have 50 or more pages, and they'd all be on different tabs in paperspace. The only time that anyone there ever worked in model space was if there was something drawn in 3d. I always thought that a little odd, but hey, what ever the guy that writes the checks wants, right? At any rate, to deal with the scaling problem (and please, don't let this confuse you. It's a crummy way to do things), we simply drew everything 1:1, then would scale a d-size titleblock up by predetermined amount...20x, 40x and so forth till everything would fit and set the dimension and text scales to match on that tab. To plot, we would then set the plot scale for each sheet in the page setup. Someone had even created a little "cheat sheet" to refer to when doing this so you didn't have to figure it up each time. In other words, if you had scaled the title block 20x, you looked at the cheat sheet to see where to set the plot scale. It was a hinkey way to do things, but it seemed to work. It's the only place I ever heard of that did it that way. We were drawing airplane parts, so sometimes the drawing was quite large. If I remember correctly, the cheat sheet I mentioned went up to 1000x.

[ReMark]

The same thing can be done in model space too. We have 20 building layouts from 1985 set up that way.

[Jack_O'neill]

The same thing can be done in model space too. We have 20 building layouts from 1985 set up that way.

 

There are lots and lots of ways to get there. Some of my clients want it all in model space with each sheet as a separate file. Some do multiple pages in model space with a layout tab for each sheet. Got one that his entire titleblock is an x-ref, with only an attribute block in each drawing for date, drawn by, and revisions. Got one that does it the opposite...titleblock inserted in each drawing and the date, drawn by, and all that is an xref. There are probably as many ways to do it as there are people to do it.