Model Space Annotative Scale Setting

[muck]

SUBJECT: Annotative Scales.

 

I have a drawing with a 2 viewing ports

Port 1 is at 1/4"= 1'-0"

Port 2 is at 1/2"= 1'-0"

 

What should my Annotative setting be in model Space?

 

Thank you,

[DANIEL]

if your dimensioning in model space 1:1 ... unless i understand you incorrectly.

[DANIEL]

there facters are 1/4" is 1/48 and 1/2" is 1/24

[rkent]

SUBJECT: Annotative Scales.

 

I have a drawing with a 2 viewing ports

Port 1 is at 1/4"= 1'-0"

Port 2 is at 1/2"= 1'-0"

 

What should my Annotative setting be in model Space?

 

Thank you,

 

When working on the 1/4" viewport it should be 1/4".

 

When working on the 1/2" viewport is should be 1/2".

[nestly]

When working on the 1/4" viewport it should be 1/4".

 

When working on the 1/2" viewport is should be 1/2".

 

Agreed, although rather than changing the MS scale, I prefer to add the dimensions (all annotative objects really) while working inside a locked viewport that way the proper annotative scale is automatic.

[muck]

So set my Annotation Scale to 1 = 1 in model space is a good rule of Thumb?

[rkent]

So set my Annotation Scale to 1 = 1 in model space is a good rule of Thumb?

 

No it is not. When you are working in the Model Tab you will set the annoscale to the scale of the plan or detail you will want to use in the viewport, so if you are working on a plan drawing and it will be displayed in a viewport at 1/4"=1' then you will set the annoscale to 1/4", when you move to the enlarged view at 1/2"=1' then you will set annoscale to 1/2".

 

To have everything display properly no matter which layout tab you are working in think about setting:

MSLTSCALE = 1

LTSCALE = 0.5 (some use 1, .75, etc. I like .5)

PSLTSCALE = 1

CANNOSCALE = (DESIRED PLOT SCALE, set with anno scale drop down

lower right)

[jules_s]

 

I sooooooo wish you Americans would join us in the millimetre world

 

We could all then work in decimal with the same linetypes/scales etc

 

FWIW If im dimensioning/annotating anything in MS these days I use multiple xrefs of the same piece of drawing and change the annotation scale accordingly for each detail.

 

Not ideal I know, but I've always thought annotive scaling was a tad overkill....I was quite happy using dimscales/layers and text with layers that dictated what was displayed in any set vport

 

I'm happy to be stood corrected on the above

[tzframpton]

I sooooooo wish you Americans would join us in the millimetre world

I soooooo wish you England-ers would join us in the Imperial Inches world.

[nestly]

I sooooooo wish you Americans would join us in the millimetre world

 

We could all then work in decimal with the same linetypes/scales etc

 

Explain how working in a metric a drawing that has both 1:10 and 1:50 views of the model is any different than working in an Imperial drawing that has both 1/4" - 1'-0" and 1" - 1'-0" views with regard to linetype or dimension, or text scales?

 

...I've always thought annotive scaling was a tad overkill....I was quite happy using dimscales/layers and text with layers that dictated what was displayed in any set vport

 

If you prefer your old method, by all means continue to use it. The addition of Annotative scaling doesn't mean you can't still do it the old way. The only difference is that now you have a choice.

[tzframpton]

The addition of Annotative scaling doesn't mean you can't do it the old way. The only difference is that now you have a choice.

True. But I will admit that the automatic scaling in AutoCAD is far inferior to Revit's methods. I can't explain why, it just is. I think because in AutoCAD, everything still has to reside on a layer, where as Revit its all object based.

[jules_s]

Why would we want to?

 

Fractions are sooooo 19th century, you lot understand the concept of a decimal point do you not?

 

Does the DOW Jones work in 1/4's 1/2's etc or 0.25 and 0.5?

 

Meh, bloody Autodesk/Americans keeping software in the dark ages

 

Edit: in response to Styke^^

[tzframpton]

haha, I love messing with foreigners who use the metric system. Of course its easier. I was lucky enough to be born in the USA where we do measurements the hard way.

 

[nestly]

Metric vs Imperial is an entirely different topic than Annotative Scaling.

 

Here, I edited the OP's question.

 

SUBJECT: Annotative Scales.

 

I have a drawing with a 2 viewing ports

Port 1 is at 1:20

Port 2 is at 1:10

 

What should my Annotative setting be in model Space?

 

.... hope that lowers your blood pressure a little.

[jules_s]

TBH I think we find it pretty frustrating that the software defaults to USA settings and seems to be pretty difficult to iron out every hatch/line/anno scale without multiply every setting by 25.4 if you get things wrong or you import a drawing that uses the *cough* wrong ISO/LIN linetype etc

[jules_s]

Explain how working in a metric a drawing that has both 1:10 and 1:50 views of the model is any different than working in an Imperial drawing that has both 1/4" - 1'-0" and 1" - 1'-0" views with regard to linetype or dimension, or text scales?

 

Nobody is getting high blood pressure here

 

It's not much different in terms of context....until you try converting one to another. Then things get a tad complicated IME (see my post in the Mtext thread)

[nestly]

TBH I think we find it pretty frustrating that the software defaults to USA settings and seems to be pretty difficult to iron out every hatch/line/anno scale without multiply every setting by 25.4 if you get things wrong or you import a drawing that uses the *cough* wrong ISO/LIN linetype etc

 

Yes, AutoCAD does use the Imperial template by default, you need only change that once, and then AutoCAD default to Metric.

 

On second thought, don't even think that AutoCAD does default to Imperial, I think the user makes that choice during initial setup.

 

Apologies to the OP for the off-topic discussion.

[khama]

I soooooo wish you England-ers would join us in the Imperial Inches world.

 

Why should 90% of the world change when you Americans are the minority?

[jules_s]

Nesty

 

I'm not being argumentative here

 

Given the 2nd and 3rd post in this thread I would suggest otherwise.....i think this conversation is dead on topic.

 

I think there is still confusion regarding Annotive scaling/linetypes in Imperial and metric; particularly when exchanging formats (ISo/LIN) in particular

 

It's just a major pain in the arse TBH...and I'm pretty damned sure CAD does default to imperial unless you click some pretty ambigious buttons throughout the down load process meh

[rickh]

If you do work in modelspace with multiple annotation scales in use, you can avoid some possible mistakes by utilizing the ANNOALLVISIBLE variable to turn off objects not using the currently selected scale. This way you can switch the cannoscale and you should see only the objects using that scale. (the assumption here is that you have annoautoscale off). Otherwise, I agree that it is easiest to just label from within the viewports to ensure the correct scale is used.

 

as far as the sidebar topic of imperial/metric....it wouldn't matter because even when all the users are on one system of units, someone's still going to screw up the drawing settings anyways....yeah, it's been one of those days....