For Reference Only

[ReMark]

Dave: If the drawing is correct to begin with (i.e. - accurately describes/dimensions said object) then adding the words "For reference" would be redundant.

[RobDraw]

I'm with tyke on this one. If I supply a "FOR REFERENCE" drawing in a pack it will contain information pertinent to the build but not forming part of it. It may show the power supply further upstream, and would show the voltage, frequency and protection supplied.

 

It may be more accurately described as "FOR INFORMATION" but in either case I would expect it to be correct.

 

So you put "For Reference Only" on all the sheets that contain accurate information? Why? Are the sheets without the stamp not accurate?

[Dana W]

I think it is not the best.

 

What does "For Reference" mean? Why does adding the word "Only" change it.

 

To me it is just a weak choice of words, techno-babble with a meaning only to those who put it in place.

 

Straight up, "For Reference Only" means Only look at this document for reference.

 

Choose a phrase that actually tells people not to depend on the detail information in the documents, if that is the concept you are shooting for.

 

I like "These Drawings Suck".

[ReMark]

I like "Offset for Clarity" myself.

 

Or..."Objects in the mirror may appear closer than they are."

 

How about "Subject to Approval"?

 

Or..."My guess is as good as yours."

 

And the all time tag line for most politicians "If that's what I meant I never would have said it!":shock:

[Dana W]

My problem with it is, the word combination "For Reference" does not carry a negative connotation in itself. Adding "Only" doesn't really change the meaning, rather re-enforcing it. It is just another one of those phrases that got accepted into general use and don't really mean what people want them to mean.

[ReMark]

Very few people say what they mean and when they do they usually get grief for "telling it the way it is." There are ramifications for being direct.

 

Bottom line, For Reference Only is a polite way of Covering Your Ass.

[Barneel]

After this thread I'm going to make sure the 'For Reference Only' stamp in my office mysteriously disappears... It clearly causes more confusion than its worth.

 

Next topic:

 

Color or Colour?

[Tyke]

After this thread I'm going to make sure the 'For Reference Only' stamp in my office mysteriously disappears... It clearly causes more confusion than its worth.

 

Next topic:

 

Color or Colour?

 

That's an easy one. It depends where you are, UK or US or somewhere else. Or is it Barneel just winding us all up?

[Barneel]

Or is it Barneel just winding us all up?

 

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[ReMark]

Of course it's colour, I thought everybody knows that! LoL

[dbroada]

So you put "For Reference Only" on all the sheets that contain accurate information? Why? Are the sheets without the stamp not accurate?

no, all sheets are accurate. If they are not why would I provide them? I pointed out that they are supplied outside the scope of the panel being built.

[RobDraw]

I have yet to see a documented explanation of Tyke's definition of the usage of that term. Remark provided several examples of the correct usage and a quick search reveals more of the same.

[Dana W]

After this thread I'm going to make sure the 'For Reference Only' stamp in my office mysteriously disappears... It clearly causes more confusion than its worth.

 

Next topic:

 

Color or Colour?

Nooooooooo!! I am still working on Gage, Guage, and Gauge.

[ReMark]

Dave: If you change the power supply drawing then do you go back and swap out the "FOR REFERENCE" drawing in every pack of information?

[ReMark]

I always thought that gage was just a variant of gauge. Someone decided a four letter word was much more efficient than a five letter word. And think of all the time saved by not including the extra letter! LoL

[Dana W]

I always thought that gage was just a variant of gauge. Someone decided a four letter word was much more efficient than a five letter word. And think of all the time saved by not including the extra letter! LoL

That was sort of an inside joke for Dadgad, See This thread starting post #3

[dbroada]

Dave: If you change the power supply drawing then do you go back and swap out the "FOR REFERENCE" drawing in every pack of information?

Why would I be changing the power supply drawing? I am drawing a cabinet that will be built next week and installed in the future. If the power supply drawing changes it will be part of a variation order and all changes will have to be examined. The cabinet is correct at time of build. If there is content subject to change or revision it will be indicated as a HOLD.

[ReMark]

Lack of availability of critical parts?

[nestly]

Lack of availability of critical parts?

 

Exactly... not every drawing that is sent out can be 100% complete... ie. conceptual drawings for review.

[ReMark]

You're preaching to the choir nestly. LoL