Survey - How do you react finding your code on a (monetized) blog?

[Jef!]

Sometimes when I want to reuse a snippet I posted here it is faster to google it than find it on my computer. In the results I was surprised to find a hit somewhere I didn't expect; I just stumbled on a blog (by Danglar, lispbox.wordpress.com, with ads) and he posts our coding on it.

 

I found a routine made by me

https://lispbox.wordpress.com/2016/04/14/equal-selected-image-name-in-drawing-to-external-images-name-jef-program/

 

I found one made by Grrr (with original credits to CAB, Lee Mac, Tharwat, Jef!, fixo)

https://lispbox.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/selection-set-manipulator-move-rotate-mirror-by-y-axis-and-scale/

 

I found one by Bigal

https://lispbox.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/copy-selected-objects-into-same-place-but-in-different-user-defined-layer/

 

Made by Lee Mac

https://lispbox.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/lee-mac-convert-attribute-definition-to-text/

 

Google lispbox.wordpress.com "Your name", chances are that if you know how to lisp, you will get some results (or a lot).

 

Even if it is somewhat flattering, and I can appreciate that the credits are very clearly given, the headers are kept and there are links to original threads where the routines have been taken, I don't like the following points:

-If the routine evolves, the "old/previous copy" remain available on that blog and it doesn't update along the original code

-Danglar never asked for my permission to duplicate my code and post it on his blog (so my guess is that it probably is his modus operandi to grab without asking)

-Cherry on the sundae: It is a monetized blog.

 

I'm not too sure how to exactly phrase that, but i'm really starting to feel dumb that while I (we) give my (our) help for free, other people make money out of it (Danglar, Adsense, also Cadtutor which looks like a freaking xmass tree with all the very irritating ads on every single page, so much that if I leave pages opened few days often it makes my tab crash due to ads' memory leaks...).

 

Anyway, back to the point: Someone grabs your code and post it on hos blog without asking, what is your take on this?

[Grrr]

Hi Jef!! Just leaving my opinion on this:

 

I found one made by Grrr (with original credits to CAB, Lee Mac, Tharwat, Jef!, fixo)

https://lispbox.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/selection-set-manipulator-move-rotate-mirror-by-y-axis-and-scale/

Wow this was so old, now when I look at it - the repetition/formatting of that code is on an embarassing level of "showing my dirty underwear in public".

Atleast I could keep track of my progress there (altho he just copied only 2 codes of mine).

 

 

it is somewhat flattering, and I can appreciate that the credits are very clearly given, the headers are kept and there are links to original threads where the routines have been taken,

 

(while The_AboveQuote_IsTrue (Im_Good_With_it))

 

 

-If the routine evolves, the "old/previous copy" remain available on that blog and it doesn't update along the original code

 

Yes, thats true - thats why the professionals include info about the version of the program (esp if the program is big/innovative/ww-useful).

But thats a matter of habbit aswell - personally I don't do "versioning" of mines (because I never consider that there would be V2.0 - although it happens).

You know what? - I'm fine with this too! Why?, because once I had to research how to include a block into a cell's value (ACAD_TABLE)..

The most obvious code to reasearch would be LM's BCOUNT program thats like hundred rows.. but I was lucky to find the precursor of his program here on cadtutor,

so I wasn't forced to remove all the fancy DCL coding that I don't have to read just to understand how Lee did it (this specific task).

 

 

-Danglar never asked for my permission to duplicate my code and post it on his blog (so my guess is that it probably is his modus operandi to grab without asking)

 

That sounds bad, although don't we all do the same - but instead of posting on blog we keep the same .lsp code on our computers?

Guess it depents on the author.

 

-Cherry on the sundae: It is a monetized blog.

 

What does that mean ? (curious)

 

 

Anyway, back to the point: Someone grabs your code and post it on hos blog without asking, what is your take on this?

 

BTW I've just remembered this

 

Overall as you can see, I don't mind this.. because when I start to learn some new language, I would like to find blogs like this -

Because I could quickly revise what that language is capable of, I could explore different suggestions/techniques as code.

 

IMO a general drawback for the programming forums is that you can't filter out just the posted [C0DE]...[/C0DE] (or do it by author aswell).

Say I would like to see all Tharwat's codes posted in history, and just the posts that include actual code.

 

Cheers!

[rkmcswain]

@Jef! - if you clicked the last link in post #2 by @Grrr - then you know what I think about it.

 

This "lispbox...." website has been doing this for years.

 

The owner of that site is a Swamp member BTW. Refuses all attempts for contact.

 

The entire website is nothing but stolen material from other sites.

[maratovich]

I agree with you. This is very bad, but the lisp initially allows you to use it anywhere, it is used by bad people.

I think that this will continue more and more.

Therefore, I immediately switched to VB6 and create programs with protection or free, but with the author's instructions. They can not be changed.

[dlanorh]

@Jef! - if you clicked the last link in post #2 by @Grrr - then you know what I think about it.

 

This "lispbox...." website has been doing this for years.

 

The owner of that site is a Swamp member BTW. Refuses all attempts for contact.

 

The entire website is nothing but stolen material from other sites.

 

I know. I helped him with something a couple of months ago. Next thing i know he tells me it's published.

 

Asking first would have been nice.

[rkmcswain]

It looks like he finally (for an unknown reason) removed the main post that I complained to him about. The URL is the same, but the content of the post is totally different.

 

He copied a blog post of mine along with all of the photos, verbatim, and gave no credit at all.

But it's gone now, of course it's 3 years old too.

[Jef!]

don't we all do the same - but instead of posting on blog we keep the same .lsp code on our computers?

 

(monetized) What does that mean ? (curious)

 

...when I start to learn some new language, I would like to find blogs like this -

Because I could quickly revise what that language is capable of, I could explore different suggestions/techniques as code.

 

IMO a general drawback for the programming forums is that you can't filter out just the posted [C0DE]...[/C0DE] (or do it by author aswell).

Say I would like to see all Tharwat's codes posted in history, and just the posts that include actual code.

 

Cheers!

 

Hi Grrr. Monetized means to make money from something. The blog's ads reward him money while the content is ours, given for free. I don't mind if peoples have/use a copy of a snippet I posted, for me it is totally another story if they post it and display it. I totally agree with you that having learning resources is great, bare in mind that A) it doesnt give additionnal value if someone post copies of snippets on his blog and B) IF you really aim at learning and seeing the potential of a language, the best place to go is where the programmers are, which is Adsk/Cadtutor/theSwamp/etc. Also while it is true that you cannot easilly find every posts that includes coding from a said person, I'm far from seeing lispbox as a solution to that problem: You cant use it in that matther either. Not only that but the classification on a blog is horrible. It is either you search by date or by keyword, but get all the returned result on a single never ending page. It doesn't add any value whatsoever to the content.

 

rkmcswain

If you clicked the last link in post #2 by @Grrr - then you know what I think about it. This "lispbox...." website has been doing this for years. The owner of that site is a Swamp member BTW. Refuses all attempts for contact.

 

The entire website is nothing but stolen material from other sites.

Wow that one is badly credited. There is a link to the thread is it stolen from, but no additioonnal credits. Like Maratovich said: This is very bad. He is a member here too...

Unlike dlanorh, not everyone got a noticed about our code being published.

Maybe if he got banned from sites and got every single page massivelly spammed he would change his ways...

[Tharwat]

Hello to everyone.

 

Thank you Jef for starting this thread.

 

For me its not a big deal as long as the owner of that website is not removing any authors' names from the programs that they republish on their website collected from AutoLISP forum all around.

[ronjonp]

"also Cadtutor which looks like a freaking xmass tree with all the very irritating ads on every single page, so much that if I leave pages opened few days often it makes my tab crash due to ads' memory leaks...). "

 

I would not participate here without ADBLOCK. Agreed it's a littered mess.

[rkmcswain]

 

For me its not a big deal as long as the owner of that website is not removing any authors' names from the programs that they republish on their website collected from AutoLISP forum all around.

 

Regarding the site in question: The owner/webmaster did start to leave the headers in place on code a while back. Prior to that however, there were many posts that simply included routines from others, with zero credit given.

 

As I mentioned before, over 3 years ago, he literally copied an entire post of ours ("Top 10 new features in AutoCAD 2016") and passed it off as his own. The URL still exists (https://lispbox.wordpress.com/2015/03/29/top-10-new-features-in-autocad-2016/) - but the content of the post has been changed.

 

Here is a cached copy of the post with the stolen material, as it appeared at the time:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161002094949/lispbox.wordpress.com/2015/03/29/top-10-new-features-in-autocad-2016/

 

It was morphed together with a similar post from Edwin Prakoso's blog, and a post from http://synergiscadblog.com

[Jef!]

I would not participate here without ADBLOCK. Agreed it's a littered mess.

+1... I find it sad that we have to end up taking into consideration that kind of workarounds. After all, 1+ GB of ram due memory leaked when a tab crash means what amount of internet bandwidth used? +++?. It is excellent for metered internet access businesses. It is easy to get 50$+ of limit exceding fees, all that to provide few fractions of pennies to websites owner? Especially that now they are not static anymore, they are all moving/flashing/animated, they are aggravating for both the user and their bandwidth. I'm about to turn epileptic. Not all lisp forums have ads. If it doesn't change in the next days, I will make a move.

 

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As I mentioned before, over 3 years ago, he literally copied an entire post of ours ("Top 10 new features in AutoCAD 2016") and passed it off as his own. The URL still exists (https://lispbox.wordpress.com/2015/03/29/top-10-new-features-in-autocad-2016/) - but the content of the post has been changed.

 

I see the change, looks like he decided to plagiarize a russian source for the "new" version. I'm glad that originally I saw that article on http://cadpanacea.com/ rather than on lispbox, I rather give views and traffic to the content creator. (great article btw)