Penn Foster Oleson Village

[cosme017]

Does anyone know how long it takes to complete the project? I am just trying to finish the course, and apply for a job within my company. Any suggestions?

[ReMark]

I think the Oleson Village project could be completed within a couple of days if you had the time and dedication. As far as finishing the entire course, which I believe is at least three, if not four projects, it depends on how motivated you are. You might be able to pull it off in two weeks time.

I took a self-paced course at the CAD Institute that was supposed to last eight weeks. I finished in three and that included answering ten questions per chapter as well as doing all the assignments. A couple of people in the same class took the full eight weeks.

[cosme017]

I was just looking for help on the project. Does anyone have a finished product, or willing to walk me through it?

[ReMark]

I have a number of the finished drawings as do a couple other forum members but my personal policy is I will not just give the drawings away to anyone that asks as that would just not be right. You know what I mean?

There are forum members who are more than willing to assist you throughout the project. All you have to do is start posting your questions. We'll do our best to answer them. Look through some of the past threads dealing with Penn-Foster projects and you'll quickly see the lengths to which we have gone to help (advice plus images). If that isn't good enough well what else can I say.

[cosme017]

You live in Norwalk, CT? Would you be available for hire for a day? I just want to get the project done. I don't really have the time because my company has put strict deadlines on completing my course. Also, AUTOcad is not required for the job I am applying for. In the meantime, I will give it a shot, but I have less than two weeks to complete this project. All my other classes are pretty much finished. Thanks.

[ReMark]

I'll think on it.

Where do you live?

[ReMark]

Actually I work in Norwalk at a small specialty chemical manufacturing company located near I-95 and no more than a 15 minute walk from the Maritime Center.

If you won't be using AutoCAD in the job you are applying for how is it that your company even requires you to take the Penn-Foster course?

[cosme017]

I am trying to transfer to an engineering job within my company, and I talked to a few engineers and they said they dont use the autocad system although I wouldnt mind learning. I will tough it out for now, but if i can't meet the deadline I will reach out again.

[ReMark]

How far have you gotten in the course material?

[cosme017]

Tests are done, now i have to complete the project to finish the course. The timing conflicts with my tuition reimbursement. My company is a multi-billion dollar company that just keeps taking from customers and their employees. I am in the very beginning. Table 2. I think i skipped the plot size, and a couple of other things. I hope it works out. I didn't even figure out the scaling. Anyways, i am new to this and i am a truly hands on learner, so if there are no video lessons then i am screwed. Lol

[ReMark]

Table 1 is setting up the layers and Table 2 is for setting up the Text Styles. That's as far as you have gone (page 4 out of 21)? Not much progress being made. You have the entire drawing to do which is setting out the street lines, lots, existing and proposed trees, and all the labeling not to mention the title block and border. I'd get a move on if I were you.

There are no videos for the Penn-Foster projects that I am aware of.

[cosme017]

So I am trying to figure out the Tree block part, I already messed up the drawing parameters but I hoped to fix that later. Am I suppose to actually draw a tree or is there an object I can select from the menu?

[progman]

You actually draw the tree and save it as a block. Then insert the trees at the coordinates they give you.

[ReMark]

If you have a command line you can try typing the word RIBBON then press ENTER.

Re: drawing property lines using direct distance entry. Start the line command. Pick your first point (probably the endpoint of a previously drawn line) then type in the angle and distance just as you have done. AutoCAD should draw the line correctly. Then draw the next line the same way.

I'm assuming you have properly set your angle input to surveyor's units via the UNITS dialog box. Precision should be set to N0d00'00"E.

[cosme017]

When I input the numbers and hit enter, I move my mouse and the whole lines just moves around. The line is not staying exactly where I inputted the property line points according to page 6.

[cosme017]

No tabs or panels are loaded. any suggestions on which ones I should load? sorry about this. I'm glad you have the patience for these things, because I have run out of steam. lol

[ReMark]

Try changing your workspace from 2D Drafting and Annotation to 3D modeling then back. What happens?

If that does not work you can reset your Profile.

I have MSN Messenger running on my CAD computer but I am on my laptop at the moment. No IM installed.

[ReMark]

When I input the numbers and hit enter, I move my mouse and the whole lines just moves around. The line is not staying exactly where I inputted the property line points according to page 6.
The line you just entered should already be on your screen once you have input the distance and angle. Since I suspect you do not have Orthomode enabled (which is a good thing) then of course your next line would move in the direction you pull your mouse until such time as you enter the next angle and distance called for in the instructions.

I've got to go now. It is about 6:50 P.M. and I have a few things to do to prepare for work on Monday. My day starts very early (3:30 A.M.). I'll check this thread in the morning.

As far as I can tell there is nothing prohibiting anyone from sending me a private message. I cannot explain why you were unable to do so.

[cosme017]

Command: line
Specify first point: @113.66<N5D27'23"W
Specify next point or [Undo]: @542.16<N39D16'46"E
Specify next point or [Undo]: @676.62<N87D28'25"W
Specify next point or [Close/Undo]: @457.43<S2D31'35"W

And all i get is a line that is move by my mouse. I entered exactly what was listed above, and the the lines did not form. I know it is something simple, but what? It seems as though I have to pick a point with my mouse, then draw another line by hand. so the numbers inputted mean nothing to the drawing.

[cosme017]

I think if I actually knew how to put a benchmark on the model, It would make life easier. Just a guess. I know it seems like I haven't read anything, but I have. Everything seems chinese to me. You can read how to ride a bike for 5 years, but you don't know how to do it until you actually try it. I have put in serious hours just on the first few pages. Have you actually done this project?

[danellis]

It's a long shot, but try pressing ENTER to tell it you're done entering points, then ZOOM EXTENTS (double click your scrool wheell, type ZOOM followed by EXTENTS on your keyboard, or find a way through the ribbon). It sounds like you may have drawn the geometry but are zoomed too far out (or possibly too far in)to see it!

dJE


And all i get is a line that is move by my mouse. I entered exactly what was listed above, and the the lines did not form. I know it is something simple, but what? It seems as though I have to pick a point with my mouse, then draw another line by hand. so the numbers inputted mean nothing to the drawing.

[ReMark]

Maybe you are not zoomed in close enough to see the lines being drawn.

[cosme017]

I think i am zoomed in too far. When i enter a point, and hit enter i scroll the mouse over the drawing and then i takes the line and moves it all over the screen. Should i do zoom extents right after the first point? How do i mark the first point as my benchmark? The first line runs off the screen. Also, i finally got the panel on top off the screen, but it says there are no ribbons selected, so there is just a black bar on top.

[cosme017]

One more thing, after i enter the points i move the mouse on the screen and it draws frivilous drawings.

[ReMark]

One more thing, after i enter the points i move the mouse on the screen and it draws frivilous drawings.
I'm not sure what you are doing here. It almost sounds like you are sketching.

I sent you a PM. Go read it.

[ReMark]

I think i am zoomed in too far. When i enter a point, and hit enter i scroll the mouse over the drawing and then i takes the line and moves it all over the screen. Should i do zoom extents right after the first point? How do i mark the first point as my benchmark? The first line runs off the screen. Also, i finally got the panel on top off the screen, but it says there are no ribbons selected, so there is just a black bar on top.

After drawing the first line do a Zoom > Extents. Can you see the entire line now?

[ReMark]

35525
I'm assuming you've seen this image that was posted in a previous thread. It should give you some idea of what you need to accomplish.

[ReMark]

35526
Here's a closeup view of the subdivision. Notice the benchmark near the bottom of the image.

[cosme017]

Yes, i have seen this via another student. I printed it for reference. I see the benchmark, but i'm not sure how to draw that symbol. I will check my textbook today.

[ReMark]

Use any method you prefer. It could be done in a couple different ways. A circle with a cross in it and two hatched quadrants would work.

[cosme017]

How do the coordinates to place the benchmark. Type in coordinates, then draw the benchmark?

[ReMark]

First locate where the benchmark has to go in the drawing using the provided coordinates then draw your symbol. I'd recommend making it a block but I can't recall if that is required.

[ReMark]

Have you made any progress yet or are you still spinning your wheels?

OK..it's almost 5:26 PM here in Connecticut and still no response. Either you made such good progress that you no longer need help or you gave up. Either way I guess my input is no longer required. Bye.

[cosme017]

I am putting in the coordinates and now there are no lines showing

[cosme017]

OK, I got the lines back, but of course the info I am putting in is not staying. the lines are still moving around. Do i need to start with the benchmark. I put point then the coordinates, but nothing happens

[cosme017]

before I enter @113.66<N5S27'23"W, am I suppose to select line, construction line, etc.... from the draw tab?

[cosme017]

Ok, so I'm not sure if i am going to fail or not, but i have decided to free hand the project using the line commands. Might or might not be right, but i will find out when i mail it in. 2 more nights and i should be finished. Is it ok to email it to you, for a mock grade? I really appreciate your help Remark. Sorry i didn't respond earlier, but i work outside and the lightening screwed up my plans.

[danellis]

You have to select a command (line, xline, polyline, circle, etc.) and enter a start point before you can then enter your second point (the "@" symbol means you're entering a position relative to the last one selected. If you didn't have that the new point would be relative to the origin).

dJE

[ReMark]

Freehand the project? You might as well stop now then as you just literally threw your money out the window in a 50 mph wind.

No, you cannot email me the drawing. Include it as an attachment with your next post. We need a copy of the DWG file itself and not an image (JPG, PNG).

[ReMark]

before I enter @113.66<N5S27'23"W, am I suppose to select line, construction line, etc.... from the draw tab?

You start with the LINE command and when prompted to "Specify the first point" pick the endpoint of the line you used to locate your benchmark (I'm assuming you read my PM to you). The results should be similar to this:

Command: L
LINE Specify first point:
Specify next point or [Undo]: @113.66<N5D27'23"W
Then press ENTER. Your line should be drawn at the correct distance and angle. To verify this you can do a LIST on the line or select the line and check its properties on the Properties palette.

Jeez, I hope you are not picking endpoints of lines by eye. You should be using OSnaps. This was covered briefly in the introduction to the project right?

[cosme017]

Ok, so Remark has again been very patient and has helped me through the possible breakdown. The reinstallation helped so much that i think i know what I am doing now. Again, thank you for your help.

[ReMark]

You're entirely welcomed. :)

I do hope you were able to make significant progress after our extended conversation of last night. If you have further questions regarding this project return here and post them. Good luck.

[cosme017]

well i was wrong. I really thought i had it. still stuck at the benchmark. am I suppose to draw the circle benchmark first, then the @113.66<N527'23"W line from this benchmark?

[ReMark]

I honestly thought that after we talked you would have literally plowed through all the linework including streetlines and property lines. You're still stuck back at the benchmark?

[cosme017]

I started over with the layers and text styles. I actually made the benchmark, but it is in the middle of the screen. When I put in the 113......the crosshair just holds the line stiff, but i can move it left and right on the screen. I guess I am not understanding where to put the lines. I understand the list command, but when I see the 113.66.....I dont know where on the screen the line is suppose to go from the benchmark. on the benchmark, away from it, is it a boundary line, and if so where? I am trying to visualize the line on the screen onto where it is suppose to go.

[ReMark]

Visualize this. North is at the top of your screen. East will be to your right. South will be towards the bottom of your screen while West will be to the left. The bearing for the line you are trying to draw is northwest.

I am not on my CAD computer at the moment. I'll have to switch over and take a look. At this rate, I am afraid, if you do not get the hang of this soon you will not make your deadline.

[cosme017]

I can visualize the n/s/e/w, I just can't visualize the exact place from the benchmark it is suppose to go. man I really was confident I had this.

[ReMark]

The benchmark is located at the intersection of the north streetline of SW Washington Street and the east streetline of SW Oleson Road. The line you are being instructed to draw will take you to the intersection of the west streetline of SW Oleson Road and the north streeline of SW Kensington Place. It is only a reference line to get you across the street (SW Oleson Road) to a very important streetline intersection where the real work of creating the subdivision property lines begin.

[ReMark]

I can visualize the n/s/e/w, I just can't visualize the exact place from the benchmark it is suppose to go. man I really was confident I had this.

If you were looking at a clock imagine a line that goes from the center of the clock and passes through the numeral "11". That is the northwest direction.

[cosme017]

ok, well the line is attached from the center of the crosshair and it is pointing down (stiff), and i place it around the 11 but the line just goes from the crosshair straight down. It doesnt even look like a boundary line. from the screen shots the line should have some angle on it.

[ReMark]

35605
The yellow line surrounded by the red "cloud" is the one you are being instructed to draw. Since it is only to be used as a reference it would not appear in the final drawing.

[ReMark]

Did you change the direction of East by any chance? You would have had to go to UNITS then click on the Direction button at the bottom of the window. At the Direction Control window you would have had to change the base angle from East to one of the other three main directions. I hope you did NOT change it.

[cosme017]

nope the direction was right, and I wish they would say it was a reference line, and not a making it seem like it was a boundary line. i will try that

[ReMark]

The instructions (page 5) clearly state that the point of beginning (POB) of this survey is measured from the benchmark and then it goes on to state the distance and bearing which you previously noted.

The next four lines you draw will be the boundary of the subdivision. They go in a counter-clockwise direction starting with the one on the west, then the north, the east and finally the south. The last line takes you back to your starting point.

[ReMark]

35606
After you draw the subdivision boundary your next task will be to create lots 1, 2 and 3. This is covered on page 6.
Next comes the cul-de-sac (the upside-down lollipop) you see near the bottom of the above image.

[cosme017]

i'll tell you I know i am missing something. the line draws straight down from the crosshairs, so it points south from the crosshairs. I must not of checked something on or off. this is weird.

[ReMark]

Alright, here is what I am willing to do.

I will leave my CAD computer on with CADTutor on my browser and AutoCAD up and running with the Oleson Village project drawing open. If you run into a real problem, and it is not later than 7:45 PM (our time) you can call me. After that time I am not available and my computer will be shut down for the evening. My day starts way too early to spend half the night walking you through the remainder of the project. Good luck.

Time now is 7:00 PM.

[ReMark]

i'll tell you I know i am missing something. the line draws straight down from the crosshairs, so it points south from the crosshairs. I must not of checked something on or off. this is weird.
Maybe you typed the bearing in as "S" for south instead of "N" for north.

Remember you are starting at the center of the benchmark and going northwest (up and ever so slightly to the left).

[ReMark]

OK....we've talked once more and I finally hope we have you on the right track. Good luck and good night.

Time now is 7:37 PM

[cosme017]

No matter how much i read, and no matter how many different ways I try to do the basic things......it still doesn't work. Off to Wyz Ant Tutoring. I have seen youtube video, autocad videos via autocad websites, I have an educational tutor from this forum helping me, but I just don't get it. Thanks for trying, and I hope to be back sometime after I get a tutor to help. There goes another $500+ out the window. I feel stupid. lol

[ReMark]

I don't understand the problem. We covered, in detail, how to enter both distance and bearing over the phone last night. I got you to the desired starting point of the subdivision boundary and showed you how to check the properties of a line to verify that it was of the length and angle as called for in the instructions. We also covered zooming, panning and the use of OSnaps. I provided you with at least two if not three screen shots pertinent to the portion of the project you were either working on at the moment or would soon be encountering. I don't understand where you are going wrong at this point. Could you please elaborate?

This is what I am willing to do if your schedule allows. When I leave work today (Thursday) I'll come to your house and personally sit by your side as you go through the beginning of the project. I can allot up to 5 hours of my time but there will be a price. Normally I leave work, drive the 75 minutes home and within an hour of my arrival I am eating dinner. My day starts at 3:30 AM so assisting you, then making the drive home (late), is going to be a bit of a push but I am willing to do it. Post back here before 2:30 PM so I can plan accordingly.

That is my best and final offer.

[ReMark]

How far did you actually get after we talked last night? Were you able to create the boundary for the subdivision (4 lines)? Were you then able to create the property lines for lots 1,2 and 3? Were you able to at least get to the point in the project where the construction of the cul-de-sac is created?

[cosme017]

today is the worst day. I have to meet with a lawyer for an arbitration case in hamden from 11-4pm. Then I am trying to get out of a meeting in wallingford, but I have to see how well the case goes at 11am. I am a union steward at work, so I was told two days ago about the meetings.

[cosme017]

Are you kidding. I am still trying to build the reference line. I input the bearings, but the line is not drawing to specs.

[ReMark]

You have got to be kidding me. You should have skipped the point-of-beginning line and immediately jumped into creating the subdivision boundary. That little exercise we went through with the two lines got you over to the point at which the real work begins.

I am sorely disheartened.

Not drawing to specs how? Since the user (you) input both the distance and the bearing, and we straightened out the "direction" problem it should have been a no brainer at that point.

My day ends at 2:30 but I could hang around (and work) until 4:00.

Hamden? Isn't that about half-way between New Britain (where I actually live and Norwalk)?

[cosme017]

I think the arbritration case will go to 3pm. Not sure how you want to do this.

[ReMark]

If it went til 3 pm what time would you expect to be back in Norwalk?

The only other option I can think of would be for you to come up to my house in New Britain which would mean back-tracking for you.

[ReMark]

Well, we never made a decision one way or the other. So, I'm on my way home now.

Time out: 2:30 PM

[cosme017]

sorry I didn't get back to you. I am trying this again. hopefully I can get the boundary lines today. actually still trying to make the benchmark. I just dont have the concept. When people teach me to do something different from the project I cannot comprehend or relate the teachings and the actual project. I called penn foster for help. the teacher gave me the cold shoulder, and now they are not there. The funny thing is that penn foster says to use this website for help. I need a tutorial just to get in the door. I will go back to past posts, but I'm sure that this class is not for me. are the boundary lines surrounding the village or the lines outside the village. I understand the bearings, but I am wondering if I am suppose to go from point to point. the teacher said just type all the bearings and it should draw (without touching the mouse). someone know where there is a tutorial from penn foster to start the lines?

[ReMark]

35632

Creating the actual benchmark symbol is not called for until page 14.

Briefly: One way to construct the symbol is to draw a circle and cross it with two lines that start/end at the quadrants (these would be "snap" points) of the circle. Then one would use the Hatch command, ANSI31 hatch pattern, at a scale of 1 to fill in two of the quadrants. Use the Add: Pick Points option of the Hatch command to pick first inside the upper right quadrant then second to pick inside the lower left quadrant.

[cosme017]

ok great, i didnt realize i didn't need the bench"mark" till later. starting to make a little sense. I draw my first line from 142....to 113.66 yellow reference, but the bearing are not right. I click the mouse, change to the boundary lines, type the next bearings and the bearings are wrong when I LIST the two lines do not relate to the inputted bearings.

[ReMark]

35633

Constructing the boundary.
You start at the Point-of-Beginning (POB) as circled in red. This is located 113.66 feet from your benchmark at a bearing of N5d27'23"W. (the letter 'd' is used to tell AutoCAD you mean degrees).

You are given the first three boundary lines. Start the line command, pick the endpoint of the POB line and go counter-clockwise entering the distance and bearing as called for in your instructions. This can be done consecutively to avoid restarting the line command each time.

The last boundary line you draw in on your own as it merely goes from the end of the third boundary line back to the POB. To check your work (using LIST) this line should have a length of 352.97 and a bearing or angle of N88d46'03"E.

[ReMark]

35634

The next task is to construct lots 1, 2 and 3. This is relatively easy since all that is required is the offsetting (Offset command) of boundary line number two a distance of 60.00 to the south. Offset the resultant line 60.00 again and repeat one more time. Then offset boundary line number three 120.00 to the east. Use the Trim command to trim away any unnecessary linework so the result looks like the above image.

[cosme017]

so I was thinking and visualizing it the same way you have it, but one of my tabs is on or off. When I put in the first bearing the line shows up, but I am able to move it around the whole screen which in turn changes the bearings and coordinates. its like ortho is on, because I dont get the rubber band effect

[cosme017]

when I move the crosshair you can actually see the coordinates changes in the lower left hand corner

[ReMark]

There is no reason to be drawing any lines while looking at the coordinate display in the bottom left hand corner of your screen.

If you can move your line in any direction then Orthomode has been disabled. Otherwise your line would be restricted to vertical or horizontal (no angled lines).

[ReMark]

35635

After constructing lots 1, 2 and 3 the student creates two additional streetlines. Both are done using the Offset command and a distance of 50.00. Note that I have also offset one streetline half the distance or 25.00 to create a "centerline".

Next comes the cul-de-sac. The student locates its centerpoint by inputting the coordinates as called for in the instructions. The line command can provide a visual reference. After the first endpoint goes in (at the coordinates) you can terminate the line any way you want. Now draw a circle with a radius of 50.00.

You do not have to draw the reference line. You can start the circle command and when prompted for the center point input the coordinates.

[ReMark]

35636

Here is a demonstration on how I went about putting some of the finishing touches on the cul-de-sac. I used the Extend command to extend a couple of the lines and the Trim command to trim away linework that is no longer needed. And I used the Fillet command, with a radius of 20.00, to round off the intersection of two of the lines where they meet what remains of the circle that represents our cul-de-sac.

[ReMark]

35637

Sorry, but I did not like how that right hand end of the previous image looked. You just couldn't see the results of using the Fillet command very well. Hope this image shows it better.

[ReMark]

Alright, that's it for me tonight. I hope things go smoother for you. Have a good evening.

Time out = 7:08 PM.

[cosme017]

well, I have to say. that is a great job. I can't wait to get to that point. there is something wrong with my settings, because the lines i draw are NOT registering from the bearings I put in. I have been stuck on this simple problem for days now. I have the wrong settings for the lines, because the lines I draw are not to specs of the inputted bearings. I have used the book, youtube, penn foster guides.....nothing. I know I am going to feel really dumb when I figure out the reason. the crosshair is attached to the line, and when I input the bearings, I hit enter, then I have to click the mouse to get the line, but the bearings are wrong.

[ReMark]

It sounds like you are zoomed so close into your drawing that it does not register with you that AutoCAD has already drawn the line. Once you click to "get the line" what you are doing, in effect, is drawing the other end of a line that is connected back off screen where you can't see it.

Do you have Skype and a video camera hooked to your computer? Yes or No?

You do realize that when you draw a line with a distance and bearing you start by clicking on a known point. ONCE THE DISTANCE AND BEARING ARE TYPED ON THE COMMAND LINE AND YOU PRESS THE ENTER KEY THE LINE HAS BEEN DRAWN. There is nothing further to do. The mouse doesn't even have to be in your hand because AutoCAD finishes the line command for you.

[cosme017]

I will try that. I have a video camera, but I never used skype before.

[cosme017]

downloading skype now

[cosme017]

ok I have skype, and I installed all my drivers for the webcam. Plus my daughter gave me a quick tutorial for skype.

[cosme017]

when i input the bearings, hit enter, then next point, 113..., No line is drawn, in fact I would go through all the bearings (4) after the reference line and still the lines are not drawing. I see 1 line from the benchmark, but when I put in the bearings 113...the line does not move. it stays attached to the crosshairs. this is the same problem i have been having since day one. the line does not draw. I move to move the line in the direction it says and click the mouse then a line draws but it is the wrong bearings.

[ReMark]

You are using the "@" symbol are you not?

[ReMark]

Then it would be possible for one of us to call the other and establish a video chat. But, instead of pointing the camera at our own faces, we point them at our screens so you can see what I am doing and I could see what you are doing. The only other "distance" option I can think of would be for you to grant me permission to literally take over your computer remotely. It would be like I was sitting at your computer and using your mouse and keyboard. The last time I did this was 10 years ago with a program called PC Anywhere. I'm sure there is something equivalent (and newer) to it today.

[paulmcz]

Teamviewer is one. (http://www.teamviewer.com/en/indexa.aspx?utm_expid=60202728-6&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2Furl%3Fsa %3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26 cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CFsQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%25 2Fwww.teamviewer.com%252F%26ei%3DSFDvT5uXG-qJ0QGj8YX9Ag%26usg%3DAFQjCNGHCZ-GmRwuRFVdksOAVFXeCWTYwg%26sig2%3D0CtEAX5Id7MQFV5p3 qvVxg)

[ReMark]

Thanks. I'll have to check it out.

[ReMark]

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Continuing on the student is instructed to create lots 4, 5 and 6. The northern boundary of the buffer area between the back of lots 5 and 6 and SW Kensington Place is also created. Note that the property lines between lots 4/5, 5/6 and the east property line of lot 6 all extend from their origins to the edge of the cul-de-sac. If each were extended they would terminate at the center of the cul-de-sac thus making them very easy to construct.

[cosme017]

ok, Mark I finally made some progress. I got the first 2 lines of the boundary. 4 things: first, I am using dynamic input, for some reason it is easier for me to comprehend. second, I am drawing the 3rd line, my bearing is south, but it goes north so I will work on that. third, am I suppose to be using the other layers like boundary, (cyan color) that i set in the beginning or is that later? fourth, I can use skype from another laptop and point it at the screen. my problem is that my webcam is built in the monitor. BUTTTTT, I am finally making progress.

[cosme017]

I got the third line, but I had to put n instead of s. something is wrong in my settings I guess.

[ReMark]

I fail to understand how two lines could go in correctly but the third one couldn't if there were no change to which way is east. You would have had to go to UNITS and enabled "clockwise" angles.

Did you see the PM I sent you?

[cosme017]

I am not sure if I am suppose to have that offset line near line 2. I think the road continues from the cul de sac. going north towards sw davies court. do you agree?

[cosme017]

nope clockwise is not checked. it has something to do with the dynamic settings. I am sending you a screen shot. things look good though.

[cosme017]

ok, so I am getting there, but I have a question. I see all the radius for the sw 85th and the centerline (55 ft) for sw village lane, but what is the radius for the two lines on the north and the south side lines connecting on sw village lane?

[ReMark]

From your instructions:

"The northern right-of-way line of SW Village Lane connects to the eastern right-of-way line of SW 85th Avenue with a fillet that has a radius of 30 feet. The southern right-of-way line of SW Village Lane connects to the eastern right-of-way line of SW 85th Avenue, also with a fillet that has a radius of 30 feet."

[cosme017]

I have that. Its the lines the connect in the middle of sw village lane.(fillet) The center line is 55 degrees, but the question is posed for the north and south lines. Also the sidewalk has a different color (cyan) that is represented in the table 1 layers, but when i use the Offset for the lines it doesnt change color.

[ReMark]

You do not fillet centerlines of roads only streetlines, curbs, and walks.

You can't offset to another layer. You'll have to change the line's layer property (via the Properties palette or Quick Properties) or use Match Properties.

[cosme017]

Ok. Will check it again, i could of sworn that it says it wants a 55 degree arc on the centerline.

[ReMark]

Maybe I missed that part. I'd have to check. Found it. You are correct.

"The bend in SW Village Lane has a centerline radius of 55 feet."

[cosme017]

so how do i figure out the north and south radius of the center line.

[ReMark]

Huh? There is a single centerline and two streetlines (one north and one south). Where the streetlines of one street, going east and west, intersect with those of another street, going north and south, the instructions will tell you the radius to be applied to the intersecting streetlines. Example: 50.00

[cosme017]

Ok, so I am wondering how do I get the starting point for the lots 4,5,6? I saw your previous post about this topic, but I'm not sure where to start. from the western edge of the boundary....168.24ft down from lot 3?

[ReMark]

That is correct.

[cosme017]

I'm not sure if my professor messed my project up with zoom extents, but when i did it and then pressed undo, the project came back with none of the arcs. The upside down lollipop now looks like a pentagon, and the arcs on the midpoints are straight. I was trying to figure out why I cannot input footage and bearings as a normal line command. I thought the dynamic input would help, but that was only when i had an original coordinate to work with. Anyways, the command came back and said something like intellizoom, intellipan. can I upload a dwf file to this post?

[cosme017]

ok wait when I pull up the dwg file the project went back to the original view, but I am viewing it in autocad still with the angles. weird, ok maybe not weird to you, but to me it is. lol

[ReMark]

If your circles and arcs look like they consist of a series of lines try changing the VIEWRES variable to 2000 or higher (even 5000). To do this type VIEWRES at the command line then press ENTER. Now set your new value.

You can upload and attach a DWG file as long as it meets the file size limitation. Start by clicking on the Go Advanced button. At the next screen click on the Paperclip icon. You will have to find then upload your DWG file first before you can finally attach it. You'll also have to include ten characters of text for the post to be accepted.

How is it that your professor came into possession of your drawing and messed it up on you in the first place?

[cosme017]

aww yes, thank you. I am still trying to figure out why I cant draw a simple line with bearings and degrees. Everytime I input the info for lot 4, 168.24 N55.....the line starts somewhere else on the project, and it is different everytime. i will try to use the western boundary, but it has been difficult to go down to 168.24 since there is no mid or endpoint in the area

[ReMark]

Have you tried using the OFFSET command? Or have you tried drawing a CIRCLE with a radius of 168.24 using the intersection of the south property line of lot 3 and the western boundary? My guess the answer to both would be "no".

[cosme017]

ok, i am getting there. I will fix the bearings and footage later, but how in the world do i figure out the distance from the western row line of sw oleson rd to lot 7? I have been trying all different things today.

[ReMark]

I'm not at my CAD computer now nor do I plan to be before retiring for the evening but I promise to take a look at it tomorrow (Thursday) morning. Best I can do.

[ReMark]

ok, i am getting there. I will fix the bearings and footage later, but how in the world do i figure out the distance from the western row line of sw oleson rd to lot 7? I have been trying all different things today.
It's a 50.00 offset from the streetline to what would be the east property line of lot #7.

[cosme017]

ok, I must of missed that somewhere. I have to place the trees now, but creating a block is becoming an issue. I have read previous post, but I still cannot comprehend the building of the block. I created a block on the 0 layer, and I am having trouble increasing the size of the point. The pdsize and ddtype do not respond well when making the point. Also, the diameter is 15 ft, but I'm not sure how to scale it. I have tried using the scale selection, but when I select .50 the list shows it as 7.5ft wide. One last thing. the coordinates for the removed trees are outside the boundaries, does that sound right?

[ReMark]

Let's start over.

To create our tree block we will use only two items. The first will be a circle with a diameter of 15.00 and the second will be the actual point which we will place in the center of the tree.

It doesn't matter where you are in the drawing when you create the block. Make sure you are on layer "0".

Draw a circle with a radius of 7.5 or, if you want, you can use the "Diameter" option.

Type PDMODE at the command line and give it a value of 2. This will yield a point that looks like a plus sign ( + ).

Type PDSIZE at the command line and give it a value of 1.

Now start the POINT command and when prompted for a location pick the center of your circle (make sure your "center" Osnap is enabled).

You should now have a circle with a cross in the center of it. Finish off with using the BLOCK command.

As far as I can tell ALL trees fall within the boundary lines for Oleson Village. If any of your trees fall outside the boundary you have typed in a wrong X or Y coordinate.

35797

Oleson Village tree block.

[cosme017]

ok great, so I have to input each coordinate individually or I can use, according to a previous post, the design center and make a table? One more thing, I am doing the sw oleson road now, and it seems as though the sw washington st north line starts at the benchmark. Well why isnt the eastern line on sw oleson rd, if it's 50 ft wide, doesn't it line up to the benchmark? SORRY FOUND IT. 80 FT WIDE, I HAD TO GO BACK A FEW PAGES.

[cosme017]

ok, I'm back at the trees and I was wondering if I have to input each coordinate individually or I can use, according to a previous posted question, the design center and make a table? Also, doesn't changing it to 7.5 change the project requirement of 15 ft in diameter? Do I need to scale it?

[ReMark]

Which "previous posted question" are you referring to?

[cosme017]

I can look for it if you want, but I think Batman was the person who posted the question, and you responded (i think) that he can do some kind of design center. He had a question about blocks.

[ReMark]

I might have suggested that the Design Center could be used to access blocks that were available in another drawing. The block you are working with is already in the drawing where it is being used so the Design Center is not going to be of any help to you.

[cosme017]

wow, I can't find the exact post now. I'm not even sure if you responded to a block question. I x'd it out on my internet screen. sorry.

[cosme017]

ok, so I just press insert and coordinates for each one?

[ReMark]

Yes, use the INSERT command and put the X and Y coordinates in the appropriate boxes then click the OK button. The tree block should be placed in your drawing at the correct location. You might want to verify the first handful of blocks you insert using the LIST command or by checking their Properties. You want to verify the X/Y coordinates.

[cosme017]

so will the 7.5 radius effect the 15ft radius the book is requesting. 15 is big on my screen.

[cosme017]

ok I just realized the difference in diameter and radius. sorry

[ReMark]

Yes there is a difference.

[cosme017]

ok, I was able to insert a few days ago, and now I can't get any to show. I hit insert, it asks for basepoint/scale/rotate; I just input my coordinates and hit enter. then....a nothing shows.

[cosme017]

it looks like it points to the right section, but then it says specify the scale factors <1>. I hit enter nothing.

[ReMark]

You did create the tree block right?

[cosme017]

yes, I went into the design center, and I see the tree block under blocks.

[ReMark]

Do a simple test. Insert a tree block and pick a spot on the screen, any spot. Does a tree block appear?

[cosme017]

no it doesnt. I know the tree block is there though

[ReMark]

If you are zoomed in tight to the subdivision boundary and insert a tree block anywhere within it then there is no reason why it should not show up on your screen unless when you created the block you used something else (like 0,0,0 ) as the insertion point for your block. You should always pick somewhere on your geometry (in this case the center of the circle) when creating a block. Too many people make the mistake of picking off the geometry by some distance or assuming 0,0,0 is adequate enough for their purposes. Both mistakes often come back to haunt you later.

[cosme017]

ok, i will work on it

[ReMark]

The only other thing I can think of at this time is the layer you are inserting the tree block on is frozen or turned off.

That's it for me. Time to take it easy. It's been a long day of yard work and I'm feeling it about now. Good luck and good night.

[cosme017]

ok i finally got them to go, but when i do a list on them....the coordinates are off.

[cosme017]

when I try to move one to the correct coordinates. a line is shows up on the coordinate and asks to specify the second point. and/or displacement?

[danellis]

when I try to move one to the correct coordinates. a line is shows up on the coordinate and asks to specify the second point. and/or displacement?

That's correct, it's how the move command works. First it asks you to select what you want to move (you should select the tree block!), then for a reference point (in this case you want it to be the insertion block of the tree block), finally it asks for a second point (in this case enter the co-ordinates the tree's supposed to be at): think of it as "I want to move this object from that point (which doesn't have to have any relationship with the object you're moving) to this new point."

Why do you think the co-ordinates are off when you list them. May I suggest trying to re-insert a couple of the trees to see if you can insert them to the right place? (actually that would probably be quicker than moving them!).

ReMark: I hope you don't mind me posting this.

dJE

[cosme017]

So i will sAve the worst for last. All the coordinates read correctly, but it definetly doesnt look right. Was it ok to have tje x,y,z factors at 1.0? Anyways i will save that for last. I am finishing up, and hopefully tomorrow i will be at 90% done. I have to go back and figure out the buffers, text for the arrow, under line it, etc. Little stuff. Plus the text for footage.

[cosme017]

The list was showing different coordinates. Now i have the right coordinates, but the wrong places on the village, ex. Trees in the street. I'm pretty sure my list came up properly for the boundaries. I will check in the morning.

[ReMark]

Yes, some of the trees do show up as being in the street. It has something to do with the "original" tree survey (first list of coordinates). Later in the exercise the student is presented with a second list of tree coordinates. I am not at my CAD computer right now but if I recall correctly each set of trees is located on its own layer with its own color (one layer is blue and the other is green).

Note that it is the center of the tree that should be at the X/Y coordinate given in the instructions.

FYI - Any forum member here is more than welcome to join in the discussion. I tend to respond to Penn-Foster questions on a more frequent basis as I was personally given several of the drawings by a former student who asked if I would be willing to assist others as the need arises.

[Dadgad]

FYI - Any forum member here is more than welcome to join in the discussion. I tend to respond to Penn-Foster questions on a more frequent basis as I was personally given several of the drawings by a former student who asked if I would be willing to assist others as the need arises.

More power to you ReMark, you do a great job! :beer:
We never heard back from Jonde?
I bet he is a virtual fly on the thread wall, no offense intended.

[cosme017]

I have to admit Remark has had a lot of "virtual" patience with me, and has been nothing but courteous and very informative. (He states that he doesn't have patience, but I see things differently) Without him I would of given up a long time ago. I know some of my questions are repetitive from other posts, but for some reason I can understand Remark's answers better. He is an asset to this community, and I hope that I can repay him or the site for his time. Although, what do you give a chemical engineer? lol :D

[Dadgad]

I have to admit Remark has had a lot of "virtual" patience with me, and has been nothing but courteous and very informative. (He states that he doesn't have patience, but I see things differently) Without him I would of given up a long time ago. I know some of my questions are repetitive from other posts, but for some reason I can understand Remark's answers better. He is an asset to this community, and I hope that I can repay him or the site for his time. Although, what do you give a chemical engineer? lol :D

The satisfaction of knowing that he has succeeded in helping you, when you really do get it. :)

[cosme017]

ok, so looking at a previous post from sdick, I am wondering by looking at the diagram from the professor it seems as though the curb is offset 2ft to the road side, and so is there suppose to be a layer for the "planting" strip/buffer? how do I show these measurements?

[cosme017]

When I do a list on a polyline, how do I get the footage and coordinates on each segment lot 4-6? I already have the line joined, so it gives me a 241' footage and a N37W-S46E bearing. So.....do they want the total, which is listed above, or do they want it broken down for each lot? The instructions tell you how to change it to a polyline, but that doesn't help if they want the footage and bearings at each lot surrounding the cul-de-sac.

[cosme017]

That's correct, it's how the move command works. First it asks you to select what you want to move (you should select the tree block!), then for a reference point (in this case you want it to be the insertion block of the tree block), finally it asks for a second point (in this case enter the co-ordinates the tree's supposed to be at): think of it as "I want to move this object from that point (which doesn't have to have any relationship with the object you're moving) to this new point."

Why do you think the co-ordinates are off when you list them. May I suggest trying to re-insert a couple of the trees to see if you can insert them to the right place? (actually that would probably be quicker than moving them!).

ReMark: I hope you don't mind me posting this.

dJE

ok, so i see what your saying, but it is not moving. when it asks for the first point i type d for displacement, then input -2.32,1.44 for the second point. correct?

[ReMark]

The offsets given are 6.00, 1.00 and 3.00 for a total of 10.00.

I have a strong disagreement with how the instructors have gone about interpreting these offsets. Anyone who has worked for a municipality would generally accept the fact that the curb and sidewalk fall within the streetlines and not outside them. When I researched this I actually found the regulations for the city in Pennsylvania that Penn_foster is located in and confirmed it yet they have the students doing something quite different. I covered this, in depth, in another thread.

I don't believe the instructions actually call for dimensions per se.

Re: Trees. A correction. The two layers for the trees are Trees Save (color: green) and Trees Remove (Color: blue).

[ReMark]

Re: dimensions of lots 4-6.

I'm assuming you are talking about the property lines at the back of each property that double as the subdivision boundary.

You can measure between two intersecting property lines using the DISTANCE command. Example:

Command: di (the command alias for the DISTANCE command)
DIST
Specify first point: (pick with your mouse; use the Intersection or Endpoint snap)
Specify second point or [Multiple points]: (pick with your mouse; use the Intersection or Endpoint snap)
Distance = 168.24, Angle in XY Plane = S 2d W, Angle from XY Plane = N 90d E
Delta X = -7.29, Delta Y = -168.08, Delta Z = 0.00

Do you follow? BTW...I'm not sure why you would be asking about obtaining the coordinates.

FYI - I am not a chemical engineer nor have I ever claimed to be one. I refer to myself using the old terminology:"draftsman" although my company title is quite a bit different. I highly respect those who have stayed the course and gotten their engineering degrees and I would never put myself on the same level.

[ReMark]

35818

This is how I believe the drawing should be done with regards to the offsets for the buffer, sidewalk and parking strip.

The 1.00 buffer is the distance between the back of the sidewalk and the streetline/front property line. The sidewalk is 6.00. Then there is the 3.00 offset for the parking strip. This last line, in my opinion, represents the face of curb. Since most curbs are 6" in width but the scale of the map is so large (1'=50') there is no sense showing the true width as the two lines would plot too close together.

[ReMark]

More power to you ReMark, you do a great job! :beer:
We never heard back from Jonde?
I bet he is a virtual fly on the thread wall, no offense intended.

Thank you Dadgad. Your comments are much appreciated. :)

[danellis]

ok, so i see what your saying, but it is not moving. when it asks for the first point i type d for displacement, then input -2.32,1.44 for the second point. correct?



ok, so i see what your saying, but it is not moving. when it asks for the first point i type d for displacement, then input -2.32,1.44 for the second point. correct?

Not quite. Rather than typing D, select a point, any random point, and then enter the desired displacement.

Does the command line say anything when you do type D?

Did you try inserting a few new trees? Did they go to the proper place?

dJE

[cosme017]

35818

This is how I believe the drawing should be done with regards to the offsets for the buffer, sidewalk and parking strip.

The 1.00 buffer is the distance between the back of the sidewalk and the streetline/front property line. The sidewalk is 6.00. Then there is the 3.00 offset for the parking strip. This last line, in my opinion, represents the face of curb. Since most curbs are 6" in width but the scale of the map is so large (1'=50') there is no sense showing the true width as the two lines would plot too close together.

So, I guess this diagram shows that the instructor has no clue about the project. Which I can believe. Thank you
http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33383&d=1330522244

[ReMark]

I believe the instructor's sketch to be in error. However, since this is what he expects to see then you would be wise to reproduce it in your CAD drawing.

Consider this...the parking strip is supposed to be 3.00 and the buffer 1.00 yet in the instructor's sketch he has combined the buffer with the parking strip.

In the municipality where I worked for eight years (engineering department) one of my duties was to draw street line maps for all of our roads. Our "typical" street had a R.O.W. (right-of-way) of 50 feet (streetline to streetline). 10 feet on each side (for a total of 20 feet) was given over to the buffer, side walk, grassy strip and curb leaving a paved road width of 30 feet.

[cosme017]

Re: dimensions of lots 4-6.

I'm assuming you are talking about the property lines at the back of each property that double as the subdivision boundary.

You can measure between two intersecting property lines using the DISTANCE command. Example:

Command: di (the command alias for the DISTANCE command)
DIST
Specify first point: (pick with your mouse; use the Intersection or Endpoint snap)
Specify second point or [Multiple points]: (pick with your mouse; use the Intersection or Endpoint snap)
Distance = 168.24, Angle in XY Plane = S 2d W, Angle from XY Plane = N 90d E
Delta X = -7.29, Delta Y = -168.08, Delta Z = 0.00

Do you follow? BTW...I'm not sure why you would be asking about obtaining the coordinates.

FYI - I am not a chemical engineer nor have I ever claimed to be one. I refer to myself using the old terminology:"draftsman" although my company title is quite a bit different. I highly respect those who have stayed the course and gotten their engineering degrees and I would never put myself on the same level.

OK, I'm sorry if I offended you. I just figured the help I am receiving and the place where you work; I just assumed. And yes, I meant bearings, not coordinates. Thank you for the help. I changed the lines.

[cosme017]

ok, so I am back to my tree problem. One person is telling me to do it one way, the book is saying do it another, and I think I am combining the two. Of course, I can't figure out whats the best way to get those trees to their proper place. I have been trying all different ways, and they are not moving to their proper position. pg 15, talks about freezing the layers, and then use the move command. I have frozen the layers, selected all the trees, and then typed in the differentials. Do I have to do each tree individually?

[Dadgad]

I have not seen any of your course materials, nor am i a Civil kind of guy,
but, if you have selected all of the trees and they share the same differential then you should move them all at once.
As they are already in your selection set, whatever you do with them will happen to all of them.
If you are unfamiliar with the GROUP command, after making a selection, if you right click, you will see the GROUP
command available in your right click shortcut menu. Not to say that you should or need to group them,
just so you are aware of the functionality in the program. :)

[ReMark]

Enough fooling around. Let's try a different approach for moving your trees.

Make the Trees Save layer current. Freeze ALL the other layers.

Start the MOVE command. When prompted to "Select objects" select ALL the trees.

At the prompt "Specify base point or [Displacement] <Displacement>:" pick the center of just one tree (it can be ANY tree).

At the prompt "Specify second point or <use first point as displacement>:" I want you to type this: @2.73<S58dE

All of your trees will now be in their correct position (I've already verified this based on the coordinates of tree S10).

Not to belabor the point but you did not insult me by referring to me as a chemical engineer. I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that I am not an engineer nor do I consider myself one. End of topic.

Next question.

[ReMark]

FYI - I sent off an email to Penn-Foster this morning telling them they should correct the misinformation contained with the Oleson Village instructional PDF as it regards the location of the buffer, sidewalk, planting ( not "parking) strip and the curb. I think they should at least provide the student with the proper information along with a sketch so there is no confusion in the future.

BTW, I checked the local regulations of the city P-F is located in and they don't even follow them. Makes me wonder what genius wrote the project instructions.

[cosme017]

Thank you for your time. I have emailed them twice already on some discrepancies with their tests. Long story short, they "regraded" two of my tests and I was awarded a better grade. I was going to email them about the buffer issue, the one coordinate that is off, and their lack of help with the projects. I got more information and help from you than my own school. Thanks again, I will be pm'ing you shortly with a request, since I am finishing the project very soon.

[ReMark]

I sent a second email before I left work as I hadn't heard back from them on the first. I doubt whether any instructor will respond to me as I am not a student. If there is no response when I return to work on Tuesday morning I am going to see if I can find someone higher up the chain of command who might be willing to listen to some of the concerns I and others have raised here about the Penn-Foster curriculum.

[cosme017]

cool, let me know if you need a direct email or contact. I can look it up.

[cosme017]

Before you hit the hay, I was wondering if I am changing the linetype in text or the 0 layer to create those dashed lines for the total measurements. (arcs too)

[ReMark]

cool, let me know if you need a direct email or contact. I can look it up.

As I suspected I received no responses to either email.

[ReMark]

I would recommend against changing the linetype of your Text layer to dashed. If there are no other objects on layer 0 I supposed you could use it for your dashed lines.

[ReMark]

35849

I have described this in words but I thought a drawing might be better.

The vehicles shown are six feet wide. The one on the far left is about 6" off the curb.

Penn-Foster refers to the grassy area between the walk and curb as a "parking" strip while most cities refer to it as a planting strip. Many times one will see small trees in this area and a male dog's best friend...a fire hydrant.

Why the one foot buffer? Most cities do not like the back of the sidewalk to sit on the property line as contractors would invariably knock out the iron pins that designate the property corners. Not a good thing when it comes time to have a survey done.

Re: instructor's sketch as shown in post #159. He has shown the sidewalk and buffer inside the property line which in my opinion is wrong. He also shows about two feet of the parking strip and the curb (most are 6" in width) within the R.O.W. That means the paved roadway would be more like 45 feet wide as opposed to 30 feet. That's not a road that's a highway.

[Dadgad]

As I suspected I received no responses to either email.

Do you suppose that they were able to surmise that you were not really interested in giving them money?
I wonder how much they would want YOU to pay THEM to fix all their course materials?
Perhaps you could make it worth their while. I have a sudden desire to
google PENN FOSTER AUTOCAD and see how many of the posts describing how outdated and inaccurate
their course materials are rise to the top of the list. :beer:

[ReMark]

I did Google Penn-Foster and the word "complaint" and was not surprised by many of the responses.

I think P-F should update its AutoCAD course and in the process review the instructional material. I'd be happy to lend them a hand...at a cost. That would be one lucky student each year gets a free ride. I think it should be any soldier who served overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan. A small price for P-F to pay don't you think?

[cosme017]

As I suspected I received no responses to either email.

Well, i know it takes like 4 days just to get a response. I know it's a joke, especially when your a student trying to get help. I will pm or email you an instructor's response from an email and that might help.

[ReMark]

Four days?:o No wonder why they recommend coming here for assistance.:lol: Maybe our forum members respond too quickly.:shock: We'll have to start a campaign to get them to slack off a bit. We don't want to spoil people right?;):lol:

[Dadgad]

I did Google Penn-Foster and the word "complaint" and was not surprised by many of the responses.

I think P-F should update its AutoCAD course and in the process review the instructional material. I'd be happy to lend them a hand...at a cost. That would be one lucky student each year gets a free ride. I think it should be any soldier who served overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan. A small price for P-F to pay don't you think?

That is inspired ReMark and a fantastic idea. Of course, given that they are so HIGHLY regarded in the world of autocad instruction, and have numerous talented staff who are eager to do the best they can .....blah, blah, blah ..I am sure that you will enjoy this attachment.
I guess now that we understand the average turn around time on a question is about 4 days, that would explain why on their online information they describe time to complete the course as unknown.
Do you suppose the turn around time is due to a serious backlog of questions from people trying to complete their course, with substandard materials? Might it have something to do with the materials? Nah! :beer:

For those new to the forum, please do not misconstrue the information displayed in the image as an endorsement from me, it is definitely not.

[Dadgad]

So it seems it really is WHO you know, not WHAT you know that counts. I used to think pretty highly of the BBB.

[cosme017]

Wow, the instructors suck. I just called and I was asking the instructor about the trim layer for plotting and the dashed lines to enclose the total footage, and I get "thats sounds right", "try" that, "not sure why it's not working," " the other instructor is taking emails", "he won't be in the office until thursday"..... My lid is about to pop off! The plotting part asks for the trim layer, but i never made a trim layer. Do they mean freehand a box 24x36. So close to finishing. I want this over so i can get back to my life. Lol

[ReMark]

I don't recall reading anything about a Trim layer but then again I was going to be plotting the drawing or sending it off to be graded. I'll have to look at the instructions when I get home this afternoon.

[ReMark]

Regarding the questions you put to me.

1. Dashed lines. These can resized by changing the linetype scale in your Properties palette. You can change one then use the Match Properties command to change the remainder. You'll find the button for this on your Home tab, Clipboard panel (far right).

2. Yellow border? I'll have to get back to you on this one. The only yellow I'm aware of is used for the layer border which would have to surround the entire map that you drew.

3. Tree diameter change. The process for this is outlined on page 15. What you are basically doing is redefining the tree block. So you would Explode one tree change the diameter then turn it back into a block using the exact same name. AutoCAD will protest that there is already a block with this name and ask if you really want to do this. The answer is "yes".

4. Block of plat map. I think I know what is being asked but I'll have to verify it first. Wait. I'll be back. Sorry, but you got me stumped on this one. I thought perhaps a "vicinity" or "locus" map was required. I think I'll have to consult the instructions. I'm back. The only thing I see in regards to a block is what P-F calls a Border block. The instructions for this block are on pages 16 and 17.

Have you drawn a scale bar, north arrow and created a legend yet?

[ReMark]

Wow, the instructors suck. I just called and I was asking the instructor about the trim layer for plotting and the dashed lines to enclose the total footage, and I get "thats sounds right", "try" that, "not sure why it's not working," " the other instructor is taking emails", "he won't be in the office until thursday"..... My lid is about to pop off! The plotting part asks for the trim layer, but i never made a trim layer. Do they mean freehand a box 24x36. So close to finishing. I want this over so i can get back to my life. Lol

The Trim line would represent your paper size. It would be a rectangle drawn on layer TRIM, color red, and it would be drawn with the DASHED linetype.

[ReMark]

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The red dashed line is drawn on layer TRIM.
The yellow lines in this drawing are the Border.
Notice the North arrow, Scale bar (lower left hand corner) and the Legend (lower right hand corner. All these elements are called for in the instructions. Your North arrow can be of any design you wish.

I'm not going to be on here much longer as I have some things to catch up on tonight. I will check this thread on Wednesday morning. That's the best I can offer. Good night and good luck finishing up your drawing.

[cosme017]

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The red dashed line is drawn on layer TRIM.
The yellow lines in this drawing are the Border.
Notice the North arrow, Scale bar (lower left hand corner) and the Legend (lower right hand corner. All these elements are called for in the instructions. Your North arrow can be of any design you wish.



I'm not going to be on here much longer as I have some things to catch up on tonight. I will check this thread on Wednesday morning. That's the best I can offer. Good night and good luck finishing up your drawing.

There isn't a TRIM layer. Check page 3.

[ReMark]

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What was that? I couldn't hear you?

[cosme017]

It says activate the trim layer, but when i setup the table from page 3 there wasn't a trim layer. So i guess i am adding another layer called trim, and i'm leaving it at the default settings.

[ReMark]

The TRIM layer should be set up as I previously stated regarding color and linetype.

[ReMark]

The process for changing the diameter of the TREE block from 15 to 10 requires the use of the Explode, Block and MatchProp commands. I believe I covered this in one of my previous posts. When given the option to Redefine the block answer "yes". Keep in mind the block name of TREE has to used.

[chovek]

I am still working on the Oleson Village and hoping someone can answer my questions : What layer are the Roads: SW Alden Street, SW Daves Court, SW Kensington Place, SW Washington Street, Sw Oleson Road, and the extention of SW 85th Ave. on. Thanks!!!

[ReMark]

Unless they have gone and changed things up I would say the street lines go on the Property layer (color: magenta). Many of these double as property lines for a great deal of the individual building lots.

[chovek]

Thank you :)

[ReMark]

You're entirely welcomed.

Note: You'll find many instances where Penn-Foster either leaves important information out or gives the student erroneous information. This particular project is no exception. Although I've called this to their attention, more than once, they continue to ignore my advice to correct the problem. Proceed at your own risk.

[chovek]

Unfortunately I've come here and I have no choice but to continue :( Аnd still wondering how to move all the trees :)

[ReMark]

I think I covered how to move all the trees at one time in a previous post.

[geussb]

where do i get a scale bar?

[ReMark]

Option 1. Make your own.

Option 2. You can find a graphic scale dynamic block on the Annotation tab of your Tool Palettes in AutoCAD 2010. Make sure to use the labeled Graphic Scale - Imperial.

Option 3. Go to either the CADforum or the CAD Block Exchange Network and find/download a graphic scale block.

[chovek]

I have a little problem, I do not know what I'm looking for press until ready bar scale, and now I showed some circles at the end of the roads

[chovek]

and I can not remove them,I fixed them

[ReMark]

chovek: I apologize for not responding to your posts. Because this is an "old" thread I missed seeing them. How did you finally make out? Did you finish the Oleson Village project and submit it?

[chovek]

yes ,I get 100 ,thank you and I'm very grateful for this forum

[ReMark]

Congratulations on your perfect score. Maybe you can post an image or two? You can also volunteer to answer other students questions while I go fishing! LoL

[chovek]

I tried but I do not get in I'll try again later

[ReMark]

Please do. I like to see students' work. Thanks.

[chovek]

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is that ok

[ReMark]

Looks pretty good. Can I get a close up of the subdivision itself?

[chovek]

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I hope that is good enough

[ReMark]

Maybe it's my eyes or maybe it's the image but something doesn't look quite right with a couple of the curves on SW Village Lane. But other than that it looks pretty good.

Can I ask one more favor? Can I see a close up of the SW 85th Avenue cul-de-sac?

[chovek]

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[ReMark]

It looks like you have the sidewalk inside the streetline and the "parking strip" on the outside of the streetline. Am I correct?