Penn Foster Basic Drafting Project #3

[2112tinytim]

Trying to finish my last drafting project in the basic drafting course (non-autocad drafting), but having trouble understanding the dimensions of one part. The dimensions are for a hole and show on the drawing as:
M18 X0.6-6H
(Depth symbol) 26.88
(Counterbore symble) M10 X 0.6-6h
(Depth symbol) 4.19

Is this a counterbored hole with an 18mm diameter depth of 26.88 and a counterbore diameter of 28mm with a 4.19mm depth?

Any help appreciated

[ReMark]

Penn-Foster has a manual (i.e. - board) drafting course?

[2112tinytim]

Yes. Its in the electronics technology course.

[SLW210]

I don't understand the info for the counterbore symbol M10 x 0.6-6H is a different bolt than M18 x 0.6-6H.

M18 x 0.6-6H is the bolt size, you should have a chart for the drill size and counterbore sizes.

Is the hole to be tapped? Seems odd to have a depth on a non-tapped hole.

[2112tinytim]

35488
These are the dimensions are displayed in my book. I can't make heads or tails of what this should look like.

[Jonde]

Hi 2112tinytim....since this is a graded project you should send an email with your questions to: edserv@pennfoster.edu Your inquires regarding this examination will be addressed appropriately through the proper instructional support system.

Jon De Penn Foster Drafting Instructional Staff

[Tiger]

Do we actually have a real instructor from the Penn Foster-joint with us today?

If you are indeed who you say you are Jonde, please read through the questions that people have posted on this site about the Penn Foster-projects, perhaps there are some things you could (should) take home with you and change.

[ReMark]

Would love to have a chat session with any instructor from Penn-Foster. Better bring a pen, a pad and a BIG cup of coffee as it might take a while.

Update: I just fired off an email to "Jonde" inviting him back to CADTutor to have a discussion about the Penn-Foster AutoCAD program. Let's see what happens.

[ReMark]

I got a response but it wasn't quite what I expected. But I have not given up just yet.

Dear Student,

This is an automated response from Penn Foster. We have received your inquiry.

Your e-mail has been forwarded to our Education Department for reply. You should be receiving a response to your message shortly.

Please Note: Instructors are available to answer email messages only during our regular business hours of 8am - 7pm EST, Monday - Friday.

I have yet to hear from a real live human being/instructor at Penn-Foster and it has been four hours since they supposedly started their business hours. Maybe they are all on holiday? Or maybe there is just one guy, sitting in a very cluttered office, in a run down industrial park, off some God forsaken stretch of Route 66 out in the middle of nowhere, with a bank of phones (much like a political call center) feverishly taking one call after another trying to answer as many questions as he can before he collapses in a heap of hapless humanity. The poor soul. But do not take pity on him. You should see his bank account balance after getting all these students to sign up for a real, honest-to-goodness "AutoCAD" program.

[ReMark]

I don't see anything that tells me the person who posted the response from Penn-Foster returned to CADTutor for a chat about their AutoCAD program and specifically the projects.

[Tiger]

I very much doubted he would :thumbsup:

[ReMark]

No further response to my email from my workplace to Penn-Foster either.

One of the students I am assisting was told by an instructor that if he had a problem to go to the CADTutor website for help.

[Tiger]

No further response to my email from my workplace to Penn-Foster either.

One of the students I am assisting was told by an instructor that if he had a problem to go to the CADTutor website for help.

:lol: Now that inspires trust!

[ReMark]

Since we are doing their job does that mean we get a cut of the fee for the course?

[Dadgad]

Since we are doing their job does that mean we get a cut of the fee for the course?

The way I see it, you should be tenured for sure, I never cease to be amazed by your willingness to fill in the gaps in their curriculum and student support. :beer:

[Dadgad]

Do we actually have a real instructor from the Penn Foster-joint with us today?

If you are indeed who you say you are Jonde, please read through the questions that people have posted on this site about the Penn Foster-projects, perhaps there are some things you could (should) take home with you and change.


Jon DeEsch does appear to be a real PENN FOSTER instructor, and perhaps we should cut him a little slack, as he appears to be a newbie with them, so presumably he didn't write the courses.

If he is serious about wanting to help his students, he may yet prove to be the missing key to really helping some students. The proof is in the pudding. :beer:

[ReMark]

If he enjoys connecting with students maybe I should sign up for a course.

[Dadgad]

If he enjoys connecting with students maybe I should sign up for a course.


You could probably cure him of that. :playing:

It is only natural to enjoy connecting with some students more than others. :)

[2112tinytim]

I did contact Penn Foster support. Took two days for me to get an email basically saying all the information I need is in the drawing. Very very helpful.....

[rkent]

I did contact Penn Foster support. Took two days for me to get an email basically saying all the information I need is in the drawing. Very very helpful.....

Could you scan more of that page, I would like to see what the leaders are pointing to?

[CoasterBP]

http://lessons.pennfoster.com/pdf/085808.pdf

That's a link to the lesson. I'm in the same boat. I've even asked some friends at work and they can't seem to help either. I've asked Penn Foster for some assistance and because of the holidays, I'll figure I'm not going to get a response any time soon. The only thing I've figured out is that those markings that point to the holes are bolt information, but it doesn't mention what the diameter is.

I'm not looking for a direct answer here, but a nudge in the right direction would help. Should I just draw these holes the same size as the bolt diameter? That doesn't sound right, or does it?

Would have been nice to have had this information in a previous lesson, but I guess that's not how it works.

Thanks!

-=CoasterBP

[ReMark]

Coaster:

Are these the markings you are referring to?

M18 X 0.6-6H
M10 X 0.6-6H
M4 X 0.6-5H

I do not work with metric units but I would think that all of the above would be thread sizes and you would have to find and use the proper tap drill size (in mm) to create the holes shown in the attached PDF on page 6.

The -5H and -6H probably refer to the fact that it is an internal thread. See the link below as it might be of some use.

http://www.centralrtd.com/images/7.pg24-25.PDF

One last thing. You paid good money for this course and if you are having a problem I would demand (not ask) that you be given the proper level of instructional help. Saying only that "everything you need is on the page" is not being very helpful unless you spent one whole lesson on how to decipher metric mechanical drawings and their symbols. If you get no satisfaction from the instructor then take it to the next level. Be persistent too.

Good luck.

[CoasterBP]

Yes, that was the info. The instructor did respond very nicely with the information. I'm not sure if the OP had the same instructor as I, but he did answer the question and gave me the little nudge I needed. The M18 is the diameter in mm.

Thanks!

[ReMark]

Just a lucky guess on my part. I'm glad to hear you got an instructor who actually helped.

[PotGuy]

So close.

Needed the net.