Tiger Posted November 22, 2013 Author Share Posted November 22, 2013 I'll just send a link to this thread to the students Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotGuy Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I'll just send a link to this thread to the students That would've been a wise move before I joined in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReMark Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I'll just send a link to this thread to the students Oh, oh....now we're in big trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana W Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 A good basic knowledge in geometry is essential. Being able to draw by hand on a sheet of paper is also a good plus.I for one think that "Geometry" is an innate ability. One can learn the math and theorums, but not the ability to see it in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotGuy Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Oh, oh....now we're in big trouble. We aren't. The students are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReMark Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Maybe Tiger is sending her students here as punishment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyke Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I for one think that "Geometry" is an innate ability. One can learn the math and theorums, but not the ability to see it in your head. You're right Dana. Perhaps I should have said "an understanding of", or "working ability with". What I really meant was to be able to use geometry logically and do accurate construction in a drawing in an efficient manner. That said I've seen people using CAD for over 20 years that still couldn't do an accurate construction using geometry. the ability to see it in your head that's the secret of being a good draughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CADgirl Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Know drafting and be a drafter. Take the time to line up text, etc. Triple check your work to avoid showing your boss your stupid errors. This^ Pay attention to detail. I had to train a new drafter and he would bring me his drawings to review and leader lines would be floating in space and notes would be missing. It was ridiculous. I understand that it takes some time to learn the way the company does their drawings and all that, but there is never an excuse for producing a messy drawing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven-g Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Don't be afraid to ask stupid questions, it's not being stupid, not asking them is. I'd also go with the geometry if you can do it in your head and then sketch it on paper to explain to someone else, then the computer stuff is just icing on the cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana W Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 You're right Dana. Perhaps I should have said "an understanding of", or "working ability with". What I really meant was to be able to use geometry logically and do accurate construction in a drawing in an efficient manner. That said I've seen people using CAD for over 20 years that still couldn't do an accurate construction using geometry. that's the secret of being a good draughter. Exactly. You were right the first time. I was just expanding on where a "Good basic knowledge" really comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana W Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 the geometry if you can do it in your head and then sketch it on paper to explain to someone else, then the computer stuff is just icing on the cake.Yup. People are born with different levels of it, what was called Spacial Relations, back in the day of I.Q. tests, the reason we can see Schrödinger's cat in the box, in our mind's eye even with the box closed. Geometry in reality, has very little to do with quantum physics, or Schrödinger's cat by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven-g Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yes, but is he dead or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuns Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 One thing I wish Architects would know is how to draw. Yep... That would be the life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana W Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yes, but is he dead or notThe new research says yes, and no. It also says he is in the box, and he is not in the box. It says he was in the box and was not in the box, and he will be in the box, and he will not be in the box. Yes, I have read my Daughter, both Green Eggs & Ham, And Fox in Socks about 23,237 times each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The first thing my old boss used to do with every new chemical engineer hired right out of school was to make them sit at their desk and read through all the operations manuals. I told him that was the quickest way to kill their enthusiasm and make them regret they became an engineer in the first place. As soon as I could I'd rescue them from their cubicle-of-utter-boredom and bring them out in the field, take along a P&ID (process piping and instrumentation diagram) and go through every line on the drawing showing them what all those funny/weird symbols and lines represented. Then we'd go talk with an operator and have them explain how the process worked. It was much more informative and it really helped them to make the connection between the drawing, manual and equipment. My first mechanical drafting course out of high school, the instructor took us on a tour of the metal/fab shops on campus because several of the students (no, not me) did not know what a sprocket was..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven-g Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 One thing I wish Architects would know is how to draw. Yep... That would be the life. Tuns, grow up, if they new how to draw they would call them draftsmen everyone knows that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwade93 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 One thing I wish Architects would know is how to draw. Yep... That would be the life. Amen to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza_au Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Give them as many company drawing examples as you can, then show them all the contractor drawings and say this is how you don't do it! Only use paper space for borders and title blocks where you can copy layouts. dimension and text in model space using multiple scales. Nothing worse than having to copy everything from paper space,paste it into model space, re-scale then align everything. This coming from a fabricator working on clients dwg's, And nothing worse than receiving dwg's with X references missing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadgad Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Use polylines instead of lines, as they are flat (meaning z consistent), and understand the importance of osnaps. Funny how difficult it is to nail it down to one thing, once started it is almost impossible to resist adding another. Sound Geometry fundamentals HUGE. Supplying them the link to this thread is an excellent idea, as it will open the eyes and door to this virtual pandora's box, we call CADTutor forum. When in doubt, there is no shame in asking. The shame, as steven-g mentioined is in the failure to do so, and either faking it, or screwing up out of false pride. We learn through doing, and asking those in the know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Ferral Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 To be a successful drafter you need three things: 1. Knowledge of your product 2. Knowledge of technical drawing standards and conventions 3. Knowledge of CAD software If I had to bring out down to ' One thing' I would say printing and plotting including paper space, model space and scaling. This seems to be the thing that most people struggle with when they start out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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