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BWells

Hi All,

Recently my company has decided to update its web side because quite frankly it's bad, i mean real bad. They have been avoiding it (the update) for at least 3 years if not more and with a new guy in Marketing they have seen fit to just bite the bullet and get the thing updated.

The thing is that they don't want to go through a third party to get it done so in house looks to be the direction they're going. I've been pretty much leading the charge in redesigning our site and have come to an impass. I have little knowledge on web design and have no idea which web design program would be both cost effective and efficient for the job. So i figured why not ask the local guru's.

 

In the coding end of things:

So far i'm looking at HTML, CSS, Java script, and a little PHP for the base design of the site because of the dymanics and graphics that marketing wants for th base design. On top of that i'll eventually have to add some sort of database for customer log in as well. Based on my existing research i'll probably go with some PHP and SQL.

 

For software though:

i've looked into dreamweaver and it looks great but i'm not sure my company wants to spend that kind of cash on the software. i also thought about frontpage but i'm not sure if it could handle what we want to do with the site.

 

Any recemendations?

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CADMASTER1128

On my website (http://www.husemanfamilylights.com) I use very little HTML. The software I use is supplied by the web host 1&1.

 

Their web hosting is pretty cheap, and the software is easy to use.

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f700es

Frontpage? Do they still make that? I would look at MS Expression Web and/or MS Visual Web Developer. If your company wants to do it right they will spend a little money on some software. I guess you could always grab NVU or Kompozer. I admire people who can code! ;)

Good luck

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BWells

MS Expression Web and/or MS Visual Web Developer? I hadn't thouht of those ones thanks f700es. I know what you mean about spending a little money to do the job right. the hardest part will be talking them into spending the money on decient software so they don't have to replace/upgrade it too soon.

 

thanks for the input!

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f700es

Well the good news is you can download the express edition of MS Visual Web Developer for free.

http://www.microsoft.com/express/Web/

This way you can try it and see if it will work before spending money on it.

Good luck :)

 

Sean

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BWells

Good call on the MS Expression Web. As it turns out it's compatible with MS access so that i can create a databate for client profiles as well. Since my company has so many MS applications we should be able to get MS Expression Web at a discount too.( That'll make the guys up stairs happy!:P)

 

Thanks for the point in the right direction.

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f700es

Cool, no figure out how to use it and teach us ;)

Glad it helped. I have the MS Visual Web Developer but I have not had time to play with it :(

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David Bethel

Here is a decent group of people that is all about web designs:

 

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/index.php

 

I would run away from Front Page. In fact I'd run away from most 3rd party apps. I imagine there are some good ones out there. I've never found it.

 

HTML and XHTML aren't that hard to learn.

 

I would definitly make sure that your site is compliant with W3C standards for either HTML or XHTML and CSS as well.

 

http://validator.w3.org/

 

If you need to add or incorporate php / pearl / python / sql stuff, then that's another ball game all together. You will need someone proficient with those types languages. -David

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David Bethel

Check put the bottom of the page here on CadTutor for validation services. -David

ct-valid.jpg

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f700es

I know a guy that does it all day with just a text editor

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tzframpton
I know a guy that does it all day with just a text editor

One of my best friends is a professional web designer. He uses Text Editors only. He says WYSIWYG editors are crutches like Frontpage and Dreamweaver. Then again, he's a "professional" and not doing small personal sites, either. 8)

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f700es
One of my best friends is a professional web designer. He uses Text Editors only. He says WYSIWYG editors are crutches like Frontpage and Dreamweaver. Then again, he's a "professional" and not doing small personal sites, either. 8)

 

My friend says the same thing. Something about not producing "clean code".

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FunkyFresh

agreead. I have been doing this for 4 years now. you want clean code for search engine to like and w3cvalidator to validate. Dreamweaver is just messy as it adds alot of uneeded code

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CJJ

Personally, I've used a few of those WYSIWYG editors, and haven't found one I really like. They all add tons of lines of code that you won't need, you'll get frustrated when your code is all over the place, and the more complex your webpage gets, the harder it is to edit/update/modify.

 

I absolutely hate FrontPage. It's easy enough to use, but it's also a complete mess if you go back and try to edit something manually. I've messed around with Expression Web, and that one is a little better than its predecessor, but it's still nothing great, and definitely not worth the money. Dreamweaver is much better, you can view the code it creates in a split window with the preview, which is very nice. Plus, it's pretty much the "industry standard." There are also some free / trial software editors out there that might be all you need, and they typically will have a lot of the basics that the big dogs have. You'll be missing out on database and application server integration, but most people don't need that stuff.

 

If you write your own code, a full-featured editor like Slickedit or Notepad++ is all you'll ever need. You'll get all the hands-on fun you're enjoying with notepad.exe and have a lot of added benefits like colored text, customizable menus, collapsible code blocks, etc. In the same vein, NetBeans IDE is very cool if you're doing something more complex than plain old HTML because it helps a lot with database integration and application servers by doing most of the hard parts for you, yet keeping you in control because you're writing most of the code. It has great tutorials and an active open-source community, so you'll benefit from custom plugins and what-not. Might be overkill, but still fun to play with.

 

Having said all that, you might be able to find some CMS packages out there that will take care of all the coding and stuff for you, and you just need set it up and give it the content. These can be quite overwhelming at first, since it's more of a web application than just a web page, but once you get it set up the way you want it, everything else is a breeze. You'll need a dedicated application server and will want a SQL server and PHP parser and all that, but you can set it all up without needing to write a single line of code or even understand what those acronyms stand for. I'm working on one for our company's internal website that's called Drupal, but there are a ton of other ones like Joomla, OpenCMS, PHP-Nuke, etc. Most are open source and have active support communities so plugins and tutorials are easy to find, not to mention good message boards and forums for support.

 

But yeah, get Notepad++.

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f700es

+1 for Notepad++, very cool program. Have you tried MS Visual Web Developer?

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CJJ
Have you tried MS Visual Web Developer?

 

No, I haven't. I don't want to get into that ASP.NET stuff, I think doing it in Java/JSP or just PHP/SQL is the way to go.

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BWells
No, I haven't. I don't want to get into that ASP.NET stuff, I think doing it in Java/JSP or just PHP/SQL is the way to go.

 

Base on what i've read and recommendations from some computer engineer friends of mine he told me to shoot for PHP/SQL. I've been trying to learn some of it in down time as work but we haven't had much of that lately.

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tzframpton
Base on what i've read and recommendations from some computer engineer friends of mine he told me to shoot for PHP/SQL. I've been trying to learn some of it in down time as work but we haven't had much of that lately.

I've heard mixed results. One of my best friend's is a very experienced web developer and he loves PHP, but he says if PHP doesn't act quick in their next release then they will be behind the times, since it's a scripting language and not an object based language or something like that.

 

His personal site is pretty neat actually..... http://www.lukekeith.com/ but you can't use IE, he doesn't allow it because he says it's the crappiest browser ever and lacks all kinds of support for CSS and javascript. His site is zero Flash, all jQuery and javascript.

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CJJ

It's never a good idea to build a webpage knowing that it doesn't work for any single specific browser, especially IE because way more than half of the people on Earth use it. The same thing goes for using ASP (Microsoft Active Server Pages), which is pretty much only supported on a Windows OS because it relies heavily on ActiveX and other Microsoft-only technology. While you'll be reaching most users, you're still going to be blocking some people from seeing your page by default.

 

I agree with your friend using zero Flash, simply because some browsers don't support it, especially mobile devices and those pesky minority operating systems with names that end in an "X" that nerds like to use.

 

Java is nice because it's built to be cross-platform, but even then you'll have to worry about support for a lot of different systems that all handle stuff a little differently. And JSP (Java Server Pages) will run on most personal computers, regardless of the OS, and is pretty much going to allow you to do the same application-type websites and interactive web sites that ASP does.

 

Fun fact: Google recently built that Pacman browser game using JavaScript that will run on any browser, including an an iPhone. This proved that you can deliver web-based games and applications to iPhone users while bypassing the heavily-moderated iPhone store.

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tzframpton
It's never a good idea to build a webpage knowing that it doesn't work for any single specific browser, especially IE because way more than half of the people on Earth use it.
He knows this. That's why he disabled IE for his personal site only. Plus it's only temporary. He says it will take 10+ hours just to get things to actually work in IE, not any of the animations or transitions, just getting things to literally show up. He absolutely cannot stand IE. From what he says it lacks so much support vs every other browser that IE is basically responsible for the hold up of seriously insane and awesome web development, not to mention wasting millions of dollars in labor time so programmers can create things twice - just so IE can "work". It's funny to hear him vent about it.

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