Organic Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Well I have some experience in this area. Back when I did store layouts for a certain doughnut company we had an Australian franchise submit plans for a store they wanted to build. I noticed that the plans had the edu stamp around the border. I immediately went to upper management and warned them about this and dealing with this other company.I was all but laughed out of the door! They simply did not care one bit about it. That is dodgy. My guess would be that the engineering/town planning firm or the architectural firm that had done the plans for the store did do them in full versions of AutoCad. Then the client (future franchisee owner), after being given the CAD files has downloaded the AutoCad educational version and made small amendments themselves, such as moving the glazed donuts from the left counter to the right counter etc... So to get to the point..."client will go elsewhere", you bet they will. If you are the owner of the business then yes you can make that call. If not the call will be made for you. Sure you go ahead and risk your job and career in being a watchdog for AutoDesk. Hope that pans out and doesn't fly back in your face.I reported it to company execs and did my part. These two points sums it up well. Quote
ReMark Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I believe that if you lay it out for upper management and explain to them where the risks lie then you have done your job. At that point it is their decision not yours. Quote
RobDraw Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I have refused to do some side work because of an educational stamp. Demanded that if they wanted me to do the job that I would need files without the stamp. They got those files to me pretty quickly. This case was probably similar to what Organic said about someone viewing/tinkering with the drawing with an educational version because the turn around for getting stampless files was so fast. Also, I've alerted my supervisor about files with it that came from an outside source. Again, same story, my boss had inadvertently saved them with a student version. I would refuse to work with any files with the stamp, regardless of the consequences. I would quit if someone said I would lose my job unless I worked with them. I would probably not report the company(s) involved but would reconsider it if I had any trouble getting another job. Quote
ReMark Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I cannot recall ever having received a drawing with an educational stamp in a work environment. Maybe it's the nature of the businesses I've work in. I wonder if it is more prevalent in certain disciplines like architecture for instance. Quote
rkmcswain Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I cannot recall ever having received a drawing with an educational stamp in a work environment. Same here. I do deal with plenty of "non-autocad" DWG files. At least they are using a clone and not trying to skirt by with an edu copy. Quote
SLW210 Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I cannot recall ever having received a drawing with an educational stamp in a work environment. Maybe it's the nature of the businesses I've work in. I wonder if it is more prevalent in certain disciplines like architecture for instance. Same here also. I could see where companies that hire students for the summer, etc. inadvertently getting some files with the stamp. Quote
ReMark Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 My thoughts exactly. That's why we now set our interns up with Draftsight. They have something to play with and we have piece of mind. Quote
Dana W Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Last summer, my client shop had an intern who proudly announced one morning that she had brought us some "Righteous Dynamic Blocks" after she had uploaded them to the network. There were 20 or so blocks, all created in AutoCad 2013, educational version. Luckily, the shop was stuck on version 2008, so nobody could open them. I can't even imagine the disaster that would have ensued if we had submitted cad dwg's with that stamp to some of the clients we had at the time, international architect/engineering/commercial builders, not to mention the end clients who run major "Attractions" near Orlando. Quote
PotGuy Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Last summer, my client shop had an intern who proudly announced one morning that she had brought us some "Righteous Dynamic Blocks" after she had uploaded them to the network. There were 20 or so blocks, all created in AutoCad 2013, educational version. Luckily, the shop was stuck on version 2008, so nobody could open them. I can't even imagine the disaster that would have ensued if we had submitted cad dwg's with that stamp to some of the clients we had at the time, international architect/engineering/commercial builders, not to mention the end clients who run major "Attractions" near Orlando. I'm guessing that the in-turned was out-turned after that revelation? Quote
steven-g Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I've only come across it once when a colleague downloaded a block from a manufacturers website and didn't 'realize' until a few days later that it gave problems when printing. Quote
Tyke Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I have never seen it myself, nor do I personally know anyone in our field of business who has come across it either. Perhaps it`s not so prelevant in surveying. But I can only fully agree with all the previous commments about totally avoiding it and refusing to work on infected drawings. I find it just as bad as working with pirated software. Quote
PotGuy Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I have never seen it myself, nor do I personally know anyone in our field of business who has come across it either. Perhaps it`s not so prelevant in surveying. But I can only fully agree with all the previous commments about totally avoiding it and refusing to work on infected drawings. I find it just as bad as working with pirated software. It kind of is. The User would be working with software that is being used outside of its clearly specified EULA in that it CANNOT be used for profit in any way whatsoever. If you use the Edu. version, save it to a certain format I will refrain from saying and save it back to a dwg, then you've broken the EULA and will get your arse handed to you in court because the EULA has been violated. Quote
Dana W Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I'm guessing that the in-turned was out-turned after that revelation?Nope, not with that shirt on she wasn't. But seriously, she was subsequently instructed in office upload protocol. She had no idea the edu version left a mark. Maybe Prof was sick that day? Actually she was very competent otherwise, she just had a brand new first year education and wanted too hard to prove it worked. Quote
PotGuy Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Nope, not with that shirt on she wasn't. But seriously, she was subsequently instructed in office upload protocol. She had no idea the edu version left a mark. Maybe Prof was sick that day? Actually she was very competent otherwise, she just had a brand new first year education and wanted too hard to prove it worked. *Snicker* *Snicker Snicker* Quote
JD Mather Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 I believe that if you lay it out for upper management and explain to them where the risks lie then you have done your job. At that point it is their decision not yours. In the US by Sarbanes/Oxley act after Enron disaster the management could also see jail time, not just a slap on the wrist fine. Just one disgruntled employee reporting.... You wonder why IT (in some companies) is so tight about software installs, this is one reason.... Quote
f700es Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Same here. I do deal with plenty of "non-autocad" DWG files. At least they are using a clone and not trying to skirt by with an edu copy. This was the only time I saw it. Quote
f700es Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 In the US by Sarbanes/Oxley act after Enron disaster the management could also see jail time, not just a slap on the wrist fine.Just one disgruntled employee reporting.... You wonder why IT (in some companies) is so tight about software installs, this is one reason.... Sure if after months of court, lawers and searching for a new job. Once again you are free to fall on the sword for Autodesk. I will not roll that dice. I have already tried to sue an employer for back pay, along with 22 other co-workers. 4 years later we still have received anything. Also this was a company in another country, which makes it even more complex. Pirating software is differnt from using educational software for commercial work. 2 different things. Quote
rkmcswain Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Pirating software is differnt from using educational software for commercial work. 2 different things. How so? Both can be defined as the use of non-licensed software to create for-profit works. Quote
JD Mather Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 .... Once again you are free to fall on the sword for Autodesk. .... Who is falling on the sword for Autodesk. A disgruntled employee who is after nothing more than to stir up trouble for a former employer? Not everyone (except for the lawyers) is in the fight for the money. Make an (valid) accusation and be on your way. The lawyers will be happy to take it from there. Quote
f700es Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 How so?Both can be defined as the use of non-licensed software to create for-profit works. One could stolen while the other not stolen and used against it's intended purpose (non commercial use) it could be a paid edu license. Quote
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