AutoCAD Educational Stamp

[Organic]

I think you have that completely backward... The person/client illegally using EDU software in not the one in a position of power. If they attempted to berate me or my employees or try to back-out of their contractual obligation, I'd immediately be on the anti-piracy hotline.

 

Companies are in business to make money, not ensure clients help make others money also. What a client does or does not do with a third party should not be of importance to the company you are working for (the first party).

[Organic]

To each his own but there is absolutely no need for name calling. I asked you in private to recant your statement because I had already stated that I would rather leave my job than work in that type of file but you refused.

 

As I said in my response to your message, I was not referring to you specifically. Yes, I stand by my statement that anyone who values Autodesk or any other private company over their own employment, in in turn, effectively an idiot.

[RobDraw]

I don't know what world you work in but I wouldn't want to be there.

[RobDraw]

As I said in my response to your message, I was not referring to you specifically. Yes, I stand by my statement that anyone who values Autodesk or any other private company over their own employment, in in turn, effectively an idiot.

 

That's not what you said. This is:

 

Simple, you work on the file. Anyone who says otherwise would be an idiot.

[Organic]

That's not what you said. This is:

 

I know what I said. When I said "anyone" I was not specifically or exclusively referring to you if you failed to realise that... if you prefer, 'foolish' is an equivalent term for those who value some third party over their own employment and livelihood.

[RobDraw]

But I am in that group and I take offense to it. A statement like that should not be made in this forum.

[f700es]

OK guys, let's keep this above the belt. I think the discussion has been good but let's keep it civil.

I don't anyone here is really calling anyone really an "idiot". It's a figure of speech.

 

Back to the real point of this discussion, I tried to use LibreCAD to open a edu dwg file but it only opens dxf or at least the portable version only opens dxf and not dwg. I might try to see if there is a new version.

[nestly]

*retracted*

[RobDraw]

So it would be okay for me to say that anyone who would do something illegal in order to keep their job an idiot? I thought that was against forum poicy.

[f700es]

Speaking of idiots, how do you feel about putting your name/initials on a document/file that implicates yourself in illegal activities?

 

In my situation I did not put my name or any other mark on the drawings. All I did was review the information on the plan and send it on.

Not sure what they did in Australia for permitting or construction. It was out of my hands by then.

[Organic]

Speaking of idiots, how do you feel about putting your name/initials on a document/file that implicates yourself in illegal activities?

 

Unless the illegialibility of the issue you refer too is displayed on the plans or associated reports/calcs then it would be near impossible to prove.

[nestly]

In my situation I did not put my name or any other mark on the drawings. All I did was review the information on the plan and send it on.

Not sure what they did in Australia for permitting or construction. It was out of my hands by then.

 

I guess I can see some a difference between having knowledge of the illegal activity, and contributing to it. If you only reviewed the drawing and didn't save it, otherwise "Last saved by" would contain your ID. Although, if you were paid for your services, you still would be profitting from it, so there's still culpability.

 

Organic, deniability has nothing to do with whether it's illegal/immoral.

[f700es]

I guess I can some a difference between having knowledge of the illegal activity, and contributing to it. If you only reviewed the drawing and didn't save it, then at least "Last saved by" wouldn't contain your ID.

 

No, it didn't. Again this was a drawing from another country being sent to me in the US to review. Not to be submitted in the US in any way. It was all on them as I saw it.

[ReMark]

I've never been unemployed in the US although where I live similar laws exist. No employer is going to admit they fired you for that reason though, instead you will be made redundant due to operational requirements etc...

 

 

 

Most of my previous employers would have told me to jsut do what was requried to get the job done...

 

Of course they are not going to admit it. They would most likely give in rather than take a chance certain facts could come out at the hearing. I don't know how you operate but I keep a copy of everything. I'd just fire up my laptop with the "before" and "after" versions of the drawing file in question then relate what happened after I reported the company to AutoDesk. Anyone with half a functioning brain could connect the dots. Well almost anyone.

[f700es]

Well Remark, we had an open and shut case as well in the unpaid wages as well. Guess what, still haven't gotten our money. I am just telling you guys it's not always as open and shut as you think it might be. We were not the only ones suing this guy. He has unpaid invoices to other companies as well and they are also still waiting.

Until you go through the process you really don't know how it is going to end.

[ReMark]

Most of my previous employers would have told me to jsut do what was requried to get the job done...

 

They sound like true pillars of the community. We'd probably run into them at church and never know how morally bankrupt they are judging by the pious looks on their faces. What's that saying about being judged by the company one keeps?

[ReMark]

Well Remark, we had an open and shut case as well in the unpaid wages as well. Guess what, still haven't gotten our money. I am just telling you guys it's not always as open and shut as you think it might be. We were not the only ones suing this guy. He has unpaid invoices to other companies as well and they are also still waiting.

Until you go through the process you really don't know how it is going to end.

 

Just to be clear....I was not responding to your thread. No offense meant and none taken on my part. True, things do not always go as one thinks they might.

[f700es]

They sound like true pillars of the community. We'd probably run into them at church and never know how morally bankrupt they are judging by the pious looks on their faces. What's that saying about being judged by the company one keeps?

 

Completely agree with you there. As a follow up the guys that ignored my warning were all ousted at this particular company.

[Organic]

I guess I can see some a difference between having knowledge of the illegal activity, and contributing to it. If you only reviewed the drawing and didn't save it, otherwise "Last saved by" would contain your ID. Although, if you were paid for your services, you still would be profitting from it, so there's still culpability.

 

Organic, deniability has nothing to do with whether it's illegal/immoral.

 

I'm not sure which fields some of you work in although in engineering there is a lot more ethical issues everyday than whether a CAD file has an educational license stamp or similar on it.

 

Honestly, a client who somehow has infected their file with an educational license would be less of a hassle to manage and deal with than a client who draws everything on layer 0 and explodes everything.

 

Perhaps our definitions of 'immoral' vary vastly though.

[ReMark]

Organic: I got to stop here. My point is that at least by reporting the offense to AutoDesk I'd salvage some dignity out of the situation and walk away with my head held high. People choose their own course of action based on many factors. Your choice might be different than mine. I understand that even though I may not agree with it. The end. Peace out.